Can Feminists Get Any More Desperate?

[DonFerrari]

ganoncrotch said:

DonFerrari said:

ganoncrotch said:
Man with all the replies here I felt I had to watch the video to find out if it was as bad as I would have imagined.... deary me, not disappointed.
The leaps and bounds made during it lead me to believe that the person who created it is maybe in 2nd year of gender studies with a minor.... a very minor possibly failed at first year in some form of film direction. It takes the same kind of leaps that if you were to hold them up as being true would mean you could blame every house fire in the world on the presence of a toilet in the home, Since there is always a toilet there that must mean every toilet is an arsonist.
This sort of media created in my opinion does one thing for current age feminism, it creates viewers who watch it and facepalm, viewers who the creator can then point to and say they are facepalming it because they hate women or they are victim blaming or so, the reality of it is I facepalmed that video because that video was a pile of shit, regardless of the subject matter.

Still tho! It got a view from me, Kudos Video!

It was great.

It's like a lot of their dumb studies that they take two very unlikely related issues and make them magically correlate to say they have a causation relationship.

Aye Like I said, after all the house fires which have happened in homes with a toilet, it's almost 100% of the time, how haven't we reacted as a society to remove this menace!!!

Still tho, the fact that guys use those words at times, but no mention of girls ever using them, is Whore the new N word? like, it's their Word, guys can't use it tho! If that is the path this is aiming to go down... it's goal is to create a Them/Us situation, I don't really see a great end game for that.

Yes I find stupid how people freak about a damn word but don't care about the intent or meaning... it's ok to be a biggot as long as you phrase yourself in a manner that seems respectful, but you can't use a word even jokingly... I say fuck that and call my familiars and friends nigger, faggots and female slurs because we like each other and they would use similar words to joke about my white male self. But we see how much those movements have been earning for the common folk (tip nill... Luther King could be said to have earned more than decades of hundreds of activists after him that only play the victms card)...

When you leave the "you have a right to vote and I want that to" that is self evident and obnoxious not to have and go to "because 300 years ago white europe bought slaves from black africans you own us your life and soul" you certainly won't garner much sympathy.... The road is to show your reasons and earn support not to antagonize, call others and them complain they don't listen to you.

MikeRox said:

DonFerrari said:

Netyaroze said:

 Fighting ISIS or the Nazis comes/came at the risk of your life. So the circumstances are not the same. Some moderate feminist speaking out against the crazyness in a public forum. Or openly critisizing stupid things in their own movement would be nice.

Some prominent feminist leader or feminist association speaking out against this kind of nonsense would be enough but that does not seem to happen.  

Yep... great risk, but in ISIS cases even muslim outside of ISIS direct grasp aren't very vocal. german nazi in the beggining was possible to combat front to front but sure when it was blatantly obvious how vicious it could be it had passed the point of common citizen being able to uphold against it.

Actually, here is the front of a leaflet I was handed from a Muslim in my local town on Saturday. (I live in a Northern English town for geographical reference)

I find it sad that they feel the need to have to explain anything.

Sorry but the islamic fighting against their own extremist is very lukewarm. And the portray I'm saying is that yes in ISIS occupied area is comprehensible why no one would public display their disagreement, but far away they should be fightining harder... We see much more complaints about why white europe and america have prejudice against islamic people than they oppenly fighting against the sharia, isis and whatnot... too many times we see the "not extremist" defending ideals close to the alleged extremist that it's hard to say where the line is between them. But the main point is that the no misandric feminists don't fight against their bad representation by the likes of Kardashian and other feminazis.

starcraft said:
The reports are strong with this thread.

General warning. Personal insults, incitement of violence against individuals or groups, sexist and or racist comments are against forum rules. Some people need to be a little more cautious with 'they were asking for it'-type arguments. From this post forward, we'll start moderating people who cross lines.

OT:

I am at work, and have not watched the video yet. I will say that the thread title alone implies a level of generalization that reeks of over-reaction. Meeting a few feminists in your day-to-day life that are - in your opinion - overzealous man-haters, does not invalidate a movement that incorporates both men and women, and is focused on equality, not triumph.

Star, not complaing about moderation but if the person is already long crossing a line why only moderate after the warning? We all know the rules and the forum always give too much leeway on political discussion and only after shit got really bad we do things against it.

And sorry but the day-to-day life experience shows that most feminists I have met go after special rights, complaing about pay gap but also think women should retire earlier even if they live longer. Yes very few of the ones I know are manhating, but their speech still tip over it without them realizing. Too many times I see the "every man is a potential rapist" card.

Zanten said:

DonFerrari said:

I think you answered yourself... we have to address both sides, the agressor (that we don't have direct power over it, but as a society need to fight) and the victm (that we have more power, being ourselves or people close to us)... and until we give the idea that all the blame and bad is fault of the aggressor and don't teach responsibility to our kids they will expose more to danger.

I'm not at fault when I get robbed, but If I go to a very violent neighbourhood with a convertible Mercedes-Benz and get assalted I'm partially to blame for putting myself in danger.

True, though (and this is admittedly largely semantics) I do think it's impotant to set the distinction that all the 'bad,' (basically, malicious or ill intent,) is the fault of the aggressor. :/ In essense, while I think it is vital to educate people in how to best avoid putting themselves in situation of overt danger or risk, the actual responsibility for the act itself should remain firmly in the hands of the person carrying said act out. I.E. 'There are really, REALLY shitty people out there, and there's not much, if anything, you can do to dissuade them from doing shitty things to you.'

This is partly because as I said before, it's inherently difficult to predict if someone you've never before met might mean you harm, and constant vigilence is something I find pretty vital, even if it's something as simple as not letting yourself drift off to sleep in an exposed venue. Especially given there are acts of violence that can genuinely be causeless, to the point of nonsensical, the lesson should be made that '...and even if you do ALL this stuff I just said... honestly, something bad might still happen, and if it does, it's not your fault, and you should know that you can tell me ANYTHING and we'll work through it together.'

Just because you're more likely to be assaulted in a violent neighborhood with your Mercedes-Benz doesn't mean you might not still get jumped in an otherwise safe region... the difference being that in the violent neighborhood, you might take even the basic precaution of not daudling about, and locking your doors while rolling up your windows, while in the safer region you do none of these things and are in fact even more easily assaulted as a result. =P

Yes... we can't control all... sometimes we take all the precautions and bad thing happens and when we are in risk situation we are more aware and seldomly we end up in more danger on the safe area because we turn off all the guard.

But we agree on the basics, protect yourself, avoid danger and collectively work to improve the safety of everyone... my only issue on the collective is when some movements try to portray that is more dangerous to be a woman or gay but when you show that man dies 7 times more than woman and straight 3 times more than gay they will say that their concern is other or will deny statistic and go for self fabricated one that show that all women are violated and all gay suffer daily menace.

A_C_E said:

Azuren said:

In the context of this video, all men are made out to be assholes or rapists. Not a single positive example of a man is listed, and instead only examples of shitty people are listed. 

By my definition, yes, all feminists think men are rapists. However, there are women's rights activists who for some reason identify as feminist despite the stigma it carries. I refer to them as activists, since there are many people nowadays who just don't take feminists seriously. It makes them seem less like a whiny, incorrect first world brat and more like someone who is worried about their standing in their world. 

In other words you have your own agenda against something protruding your emotional standing towards feminism. Because I can't possibly understand why you would think all feminists assume men are rapists...

Because he is going hyperbolic using that the most vocal and dominant speech on social media is about all men being potential rapists.

cheshirescat said:
As a father of two girls I've gotta say, I'd rather they grow up to be strippers than these modern day feminists.

They would probably be prettier, nicier to talk and funnier to live with... and they would earn their own money =]