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bdbdbd said:
binary solo said:

Worse than that. That was drawing a parallel between a self-inflicted harm (crashing while driving drunk) and being the victim of a heinous crime. It's a vile and disgusting comparison.

The problem is we should be aiming to live in a society where someone who has drunken or drugged themselves into almost total incapacity is guranteed to be safe from any criminal interefereance. Yet those who say there is some fault on the part of the victim in these situations seem to be saying that they are quite fine with a society where safety can't be assumed and so one cannot hold the violator to be 100% responsible for any act of violence rape or abuse of someone who is too drunk / drugged to be able to defend herself or even say no.



 

Let's put the things into right context. Imagine if it was fire safety in question. Would you blame someone for accidentally burning him/herself dead? He/she might have all the moral and legal right smoke in bed while drunk, should've he/she been more careful? If it's not the person in question to blame, then who is? 

What is a persons responsibility of ones own well-being? What do you teach your own kids? No need to worry about anything; if you get raped, murdered and raped again, it's the fault of the rapist/murderer? Or do you teach your kids try not to get in a situation where he/she could get raped and murdered?

Why can't it be both? Why can't people work towards a more responsible life? Why can't we raise our children in a better world and raise awareness of rape and other crimes? Its not like one side is wrong, they're both right, but they're both also argued in bias and the intellecrt is purposefully neglected.

Yes people need to stop drinking until they pass out or can no longer think. Yes people need to stop raping others. But to think someone can just choose a side on this and think they are helping the problem...pfff. Discussion should be more valuable than that, and we should be able to see we recognize the same thing.