What do you think of Donald Trump?

[Normchacho]

contestgamer said:

Normchacho said:

 

No, they won't, for several obvious reasons.

1. Mexico doesn't have an extra $56 billion to spend on a wall, and you'd never being able to raise the money you would need through "expensive visa's", because you would have to charge an extra 20,000 dollars per person entering the U.S. from mexico legally each year to afford it, on top of all of the other immigration expenses.

2. Mexico is an ally, and the United States third largest trade partner. Any actions taken that would harm the Mexican economy would also have an adverse effect on the U.S. economy.

3. Mexico would flat out refuse. Any government that agreed to pay for even part of a wall between it and the U.S. would quickly find itself out of power.

 

I'm glad you brought up deportation. Do you know what it would cost to deport the 11.3 million illegal immigrants living in the U.S.? $269 billion in 2012 dollars, or $278 billion in 2015 dollars. So that means that Trumps immigration plan would cost the U.S. 334 billion dollars. Lets hope he has a way to pay for all of this.

Oh wait, his tax plan would reduce revenue by a trillion dollars a year according to the Tax Foundation. It's also important to point out that he'd be deporting a group of people that add $15 billion to Social Security each year while only taking $1 billion a year out of it.

 

So because deportation expensive we shouldnt enforce laws? If rape kits are expoensive should we refuse victims their use? What about prosecuting and locking up murderers? It costs a lot at a macro level.

We have laws and if you break them you get punished - that costs money, it's nothing new.

Also, if we hurt Mexico it would have a neglible effect on the US economy but an enormous one on theirs. We could enact such sanctions on that country that millions would die of starvation if we really wanted to. That would make their government even more unpopular. We can freeze any assets they have and take it (whether it's illegal doesn't matter, we're the US no one will challenge us) If we have someone strong enough, someone like Putin, to threaten the lives of millions of Mexicans you better believe that money would be paid. They're next door neighbours - look what we did to Iraq a world away. We could do ten times worse to a neighbour if we had someone with the balls to do it -  but we wouldnt need to, they would pay up to avoid that kind of devastation before it happens.

 

Did you just argue two contradictory points in two consecutive posts?

"Jay walking is illegal too, people do it and we dont freak out. If taxes were much lower it wouldnt be a problem."

"We have laws and if you break them you get punished - that costs money, it's nothing new."

 

When the main detrement of illegal immigration is supposedly economic, it's stupid to do more damage fixing the problem than the problem itself caused. 

 

I hope you realize the way you're talking about the situation in Mexico is fucking insane. First off, there is no way you could do that much damage to Mexico without generating a huge backlash from Canada and the rest of Central and South America. Canada being the Unted States largest trade partner. China also has a pretty sizable stake in Mexicos economy. So we would be doing a very good job of pissing off pretty much all of our largest trade partners.

Oh, and what would we do doing all this damage for? What's the upside? The damage done in cost alone would heavily outweigh any economic benefit, and the damage it would do to our foreign policy would be immense.

You mention what America could do "if we really wanted to" and I guess you are correct, there is a lot we could do if we really wanted to. But leaving  millions of people to starve because they don't want to pay for a border wall they can't afford? That's just...wrong.