This trend of spitting on casual gamers...

[Bodhesatva]

Ckmlb said: I don't think there is really a necessary need to capture their attention. I don't get why you are aiming for that. Aiming for more artistic games is a good aim, but aiming for more older people to play them, how is that going to improve games? I guess more games will sell (see Wii,DS).

Okay, totally disagree with this. The big problem with this is that young males don't care about high art. This has been shown in pretty much every way possible: they (generally -- always generally) don't care about modern literature, they don't care about canonized literature. They don't care about art house flicks, or sculpture, or modern painting, or classical painting. They don't care about operah or symphonics or even (again, generally speaking) Jazz. Not only that, it's been shown in games too -- the specific games you mention as bordering on art have had mediocre sales, terrible sales, or downright awful ones.

So unless adults are playing, there's really very little chance art will flourish in the video game industry.