Virginia School District closes over Islam worksheet

[hershel_layton]

JWeinCom said:

hershel_layton said:

 

"Also, if people in America cared SO MUCH about preventing terrorism and violent acts, then I don't see why they still support Israel. Think about it.

An American will tell you that ISIS is evil. If you tell them they have god with them, they'll say that isn't a good reason to commit the actions they are doing. However, tell an American Israel is evil, and they'll deny it. For some reason, god's existence is fine to support Israel, but not ISIS.

I am not defending ISIS in any way. In fact, I am against both the Islamic state and Israel. They both illegally settle into land owned by people, they kill innocent civilians, have no sensitivity for people outside of their group, and have their existence rely on god."

 

Look, I'm not a one-sided liberal or conservative. I'm not going to cherrypick facts to support my ideas. 

 

Israel has done good things. Yes. They truly have. However, the way they treat Palestinians is quite uncomfortable. And by Palestinian, I don't mean Muslim. many Palestinians aren't Muslims.

 

1. The high-temperature climate for both bother me quite a lot. However, I know your point. I'd prefer Tel Aviv. Much more developed.

2. Hard to say. My god are the authorities in Jerusalem irritating. I recall one of the policemen threatening to use physical force because my sister took a picture of the area(and part of him was in it).  Oh, and just to let you know, many Christians are Palestinian. Churches and Mosques are usually close by, and violence is rare(besides the occassional knucklehead or two).

3. I'd prefer for my daughter to not be some slave for a creepy old man. I'd also not want her to serve for any army. I do not like patriotism. Wars are usually unnecessary and can be solved in much smarter ways.

4. Two wrongs wouldn't make a right. If either one has access, we're all dead. Maybe ISIS- there'll probably be an idiot who'll accidentally blow their own group up ;)

5. I don't think they'd ever be capable. They're hated by all types of people, even Muslims. Also, people think ISIS are some god-like brutal force. However, they never faced America. America can easily wipe out ISIS(however, it seems as though they don't want to).

 

 

 

I guess the comparison wasn't a good one. Perhaps I should simply explain:

 

Israel is developed. Their region is amazing. They have a lot of technology, and much of their economy is stable. There aren't that many poor people. However, it disturbs me when they commit violent actions. I cannot tolerate at all. This summer I was able to visit the place and see if the media was honest about the whole situation. 

 

Of course, the media is one-sided. Either 100% israel or 100% palestine. While I managed to analyze many terrible things Palestine does, I realized Israel has a contribution to the wreckage of Palestine(especially in the West Bank). I decided to live in the West Bank during my time, and I encountered a violent situation with Israel's army.

 

There were about 20 soldiers who stormed into the city, and they started to throw tear gas, throw bombs, and shoot rubber bullets. fortunately, one of the people pushed me away and helped me avoid a bomb one of the soldiers threw. I saw a couple of the Palestinians throwing rocks, but I didn't want to stay. Didn't want to risk anything. I ran back to the area I stayed at. However, one of the soldiers threw a tear gas bomb at me. I can tell you the effects stayed for a few hours.

 

After the whole madness, I decided to see why the hell the whole thing happened. Apparently it was because they were looking for some 13 year old scrub to arrest. They decided to arrest him by going to his house.

 

I don't know honestly. That and Israel's incidents of bombing houses, murdering people and whatnot makes me be against them. Even though they have so much meaning in the world of science, it's hard for me to accept them when they violate basic human rights. Sure, Palestine isn't the best place in the world, but I just think much of the media hides Israel's violence.

 

If you'd like a situation on the news, google/yahoo/etc. the name "Muhammad Abu Khdeir". He was some Palestinian kid kidnapped by soldiers. He was forced to drink gasoline and burned alive. To make it worse, his cousin from America(whom I've met) was beaten up by Israeli soldiers as well. 

Eh, just all of this violence sucks...know what I mean? i don't make an exception for any country.

1. The high-temperature climate for both bother me quite a lot. However, I know your point. I'd prefer Tel Aviv. Much more developed.

 

2. Hard to say. My god are the authorities in Jerusalem irritating. I recall one of the policemen threatening to use physical force because my sister took a picture of the area(and part of him was in it).  Oh, and just to let you know, many Christians are Palestinian. Churches and Mosques are usually close by, and violence is rare(besides the occassional knucklehead or two).

Yes violence between Christians and Muslims in Palestine is rare.  I don't know what that really has to do with this.  I never said Islam and Christianity can't coexist.  However, this is about ISIS in particular, has been torturing, killing, and beheading Christians.  Irritating as authorities in Israel may be, if you think it's better for a Christian to live in ISIS controlled cities, you really need a reality check.

3. I'd prefer for my daughter to not be some slave for a creepy old man. I'd also not want her to serve for any army. I do not like patriotism. Wars are usually unnecessary and can be solved in much smarter ways.

Not saying I agree with conscription, but being a girl in the Israeli army is far better than being  bride in ISIS.  One, you can leave alive... the other, usually not.

4. Two wrongs wouldn't make a right. If either one has access, we're all dead. Maybe ISIS- there'll probably be an idiot who'll accidentally blow their own group up ;)

Except that Israel has had access to nuclear weapons for several decades (we're pretty sure although they've never officially declared it), and we're not all dead.

5. I don't think they'd ever be capable. They're hated by all types of people, even Muslims. Also, people think ISIS are some god-like brutal force. However, they never faced America. America can easily wipe out ISIS(however, it seems as though they don't want to).

That's a non-answer to the question, but I take it from that you would agree that IF that happened the results would be catastrophic.  And, I wouldn't say America can easily wipe out ISIS, and even if they could, something else would take its place.  American efforts at this sort of thing have been generally disastrous.

Khdeir was not kidnapped by Israeli soldiers.  He was kidnapped by Israeli citizens, who have been tried and convicted of murders.  They were minors, and not old enough to serve in the military.  While some Palestinians claim that this was an act commited by the Israeli government, there is no evidence to show this.  The attack has been condemned by Israel, and most Israelis (though of course some people did support it).  You are of course, free to believe it was a conspiracy that the army was behind, however there is no evidence to support that position.

As for the rest of the post, I'm not going to respond.  Not because I agree or disagree, but because I'm not really interested in defending Israel at the moment, and possibly not at all.  Like I said, I don't agree with a lot of things Israel does.  My point is that comparing them to ISIS is pretty ridiculous.  I can understand why some people would not like or not support Israel, but to claim they are on the level of ISIS is absurd.

 

I did say that it was stupid of me to do so. However, it seems that both of us agree that Israel has done some horrible things.

 

Also, on the topic of Muhammad Abu Khdeir, I guess I mixed up the story of him and his cousin. Muhammad was taken by citizens for revenge of the 3 israelis killed, and his cousin was beaten up by soldiers. My mistake for mixing the two.

 

Though, one thing you said did bother me: The attack has been condemned by Israel, and most Israelis (though of course some people did support it).  

I think the media really ignores the fact that the small group of people from both sides are the reason why this problem still exists. People portray the situation in a very one-sided way, with either Israelites or Palestinians being the evil bad guy.

Most of the Palestinians and Israelites I've seen in Palestine and Israel live quite normally. It was only the nitwits from both sides that make the problem still rage on. for Israel, the citizens and soldiers who think it's fine to harm Palestinians and their land are a contribution to this problem. For Palestine, the ones who think it's fine to kill all Israelites and Jews are contributions to the problem.

 

Besides that, I'm sure both places have a majority of moderates who just want to have all the violence stop. It's quite saddening to see all the violence. I've lived in the place long enough to realize that they can easily coexist. All that's needed is for some education. Once both sides can realize that there are lunatics in Israel and Palestine, they can do a favor for themselves by placing these people in jail,making sure their dangerous ideas don't potentially start something.

 

Then again, I can't bet on that happening. It seems as though the extremists from both sides have done enough permanent damage.