This trend of spitting on casual gamers...

[Bodhesatva]

ckmlb said:

Bodhesatva said:

ckmlb said:
People who watch crappy movies carry the movie industry, should they get respect?

Same with people who listen to crap music.

Except the movies that are valuable have artistic merit. The "great games" you speak of do not, and usually have less maturity than the casual games. That's my problem. The "crappy movies" you talk about are things like Pirates of the Caribbean, and Blade, and Spawn, and Men in Black, and Independance Day, et. al. Correct? Then please notice this:

These are big budget movies with tons of action, usually a good deal of violence, and often a good deal of sex. They usually target 15-25 year old males first and foremost.

The "great games" you're talking about have tons of action, usually a good deal of violence, and often a good deal of sexuality. They usually target 15-25 year old males first and foremost.

It's games like Gears of War that are analogous to those "crappy movies."

The art house flicks are usually low budget, have little violence or action, and are enjoyed largely by adults.

The casual games are usually low budget, have little violence or action, and are enjoyed much more by adults than hardcore games.

It's the games like Wii Sports and The Sims that are analogous to art house flicks.

I've said this before, Ck, but you have it backwards. If you MUST make this analogy, it's God of War/Gears of War/Heavenly Sword that are equivalent to the crappy, blockbuster movies, and the casual games that are equivalent to art house flicks.

You generalize again as always that games are not mature and mini game collections are and there's no convincing you otherwise, because supposedly popping balloons on screen is the mature thing to do and fighting people on it isn't.

Also do you want me to go again into the artistic games debate: Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, Okami are games that are artistic. It's up to the people who make games to decide how artistic they make them.

Wii Play and this crap is equivilant to an art house flick in one way only: they are cheaply made by gaming and movie standards. Just cause these games are simple and made on the cheap doesn't make them art house flicks. If I went out now and taped a bunch of crap and then made it into a movie it wouldn't be artistic cause it's cheap...

 

There is "no convincing me" because all the evidence says you're wrong. The best examples of intelligent adult games are Civilization, Brain Age, The Sims, and Tetris (the latter three of which have seen exclusive incarnations on Nintendo platforms, the middle two Wii exclusives). Yes, I am telling you those are absolutely more mature games than anything you seem to prefer. And again, it shows -- adults play those games a great deal more than they play MGS/God of War/Gears of War.

And yes, absolutely, "fighting people" tends to be less mature. What do you think it is that makes those "crappy movies" so crappy? Why is it that good movies are profoundly less action-oriented? Why are all the blockbuster "Crappy movies" about Spider Man kicking ass, or Will Smith kicking ass, or Jack Sparrow Kicking ass? With the infrequent exception of some War movies such as Apocalypse Now and Saving Private Ryan -- which are basically the ONLY violent films that male teens don't want to watch -- violence tends to be immature.

The games you apparently prefer are almost uniformly about a super soldier/person/spy killing dozens, hundreds or even thousands of enemies in a single mission. It's absurd, and childish, and so perfectly analogous to the "crappy movies" you're talking about I can't imagine why you dont' see it.