DakonBlackblade said:
Lol what movie did you watch*1 I talked to literaly hundreds of ppl who watched the movie and everyone liked it, even the ones who werent around when the originals came out (liek me). It was very well put together.The political,race,gender thing isnt a thing*2, this is in the mind of prejudiced ppl who think movies shouldnt have female in them or an African American*3 stormtrooper, both Boyega and Ridleys acting are phenomenal*4, Ridleys is insane considering the girl had never made a movie in her life, she nailled the part. And the First Order has what 3 ppl not wearing a helmet ?*5 One of wich is an allien so what is your point, those stormtroopers could be anything. The movie isnt perfect*6 but none of the movies in the series ever were, there are flaws that are far outweighted by the things the movie do right. All your post sounded like was someone complaining that they dont like women in important roles on movies*7 (kinda liek the ppl who complained that eve frey existed or that Horizon 0 Dawn has a female main character), Id maybe give you some regard if Daisy Ridley handt owned her part so freaking well, I could care less about someones color or gender if they deliver the part, and everyone on Force Awakens deliver.*8 Youre talking about being devils advocate, why instead of doing that you dont try to remove the polictical lenses youre watching this with and youll see ppls races and gender in the movie dont matter*9 cause theyre all doing a great job, regardless of what it is.
The following will be kinda spoilery, not too much but if you didnt watch the movie maybe you shouldnt read it.
Ye ppl do stuf they werent suposed to do without training, them you learn the person is like one of the strongest force sensitive creature to ever walk the galaxy*10 (that end battle and the scene prior to that on the base makes that very clear, the person is scary strong with the Force) and it makes perfect sense. Know who else used to do unexplainable things super easy without realy learning them ? Luke Skywalker and Anakin Skywalker, if you watched the Clone wars animation you know Anaking was basicaly good in everything he tried to do, he could fly, shoot, duel, pod race etc.*11 |
1. Same as everyone, do keep in mind that their will be people like me who won't like the movie, it's just how things are.
2. It is a thing, there is a culture war happening from games, movies, to the work force and the familiy system, just because your oblivious to it doesn't mean it's not happening, I'd suggest you open your eyes, have an open mind, and educate your self on what's going on cuz if you 're a straight white male, then you are a target of this culture war.
3. Lol, did you miss the part when I said "...but even if they made this same movie with a male lead, removed the 50/50 gender representation, it would STILL be a terrible movie, because the story sucks, like I said a crappier retelling of the episodes 4,5,6 just with a new lead." So no it has nothing to do with females or blacks, I've enjoyed many movies with female and black leads, like Hunger games and django unchained, because they in my opinion have good story lines. I am not one of these people that think that just having female and black leads automatically make movies good, a good story with with good actors make for a good movie irrespective of gender and race, to think otherwise is just sexist and racist.
4. I agree, I never said otherwise nor did I question their acting. it's odd that you bring this point up.
5. That is my point, 3 people 3 races represented, 1 black, 1 asian, and 1 white female....I mean if the rebellion can have equal representation with gender and race, then why partially do it with the First Oder, I mean they already had equal female representation so why not race? also it's pretty racist to think that blacks and asians can't be evil, just remenber that Star wars spans the universe which have many different species so human race and gender are actually trivial, but if they want to focus on it, then do it for all sides or don't do it at all.
6. that's the understatement of the year, so yeah we're in agreement.
7. So critiquing a movie with a female lead now amounts to hating woman? well that's sexist in it's own right, as if female leads in movies can't be criticised. But No I was not criticising the female lead for being female, like I mention in point 3, I was criticising the story, the poor character development, and the deus ex machinas.
8. I agree, but again, I never criticised their performance, just read point 7.
9. Oh trust me, I did, I tried too, I tried so hard but things were just so blantant and in your face that it kept distracing me, I mean the infusion of political correctness is one thing, but when you add a poor story with poor character development, no amount of action and CG effects can make this a good movie, but again this is just my opinion.
Spoilers for the last 2 points (read at your own peril)
10. And here you prove my point about deus ex machina. How can anyone relate to the lead when they are just so over powered but are portrayed as the underdog. The thing that made luke a good character was the fact that he was weak and an underdog, you saw him develop through the movies, you saw him master the force, master the saber, and have failures like losing his hand, it was the trial and tribulations that made Luke a strong character, The moviegoers would cheer Luke on despite knowing that the good guy will always win. All this was lacking from Rey, she just matrixed the fuck out of this and downloaded the skills from the net enabling her know what the force was to mastering it in mere hours despite at the begining barely knowing what the force was and having no training, to then also downaloding the saber fghting skills she used to defeat kylo without even geting a battle scrar let alone a scratch, even Fin got hurt during the kylo battle.
11. Nope I haven't watched the animated series nor the prequels, I went into epsidoe 7 having only watched episode 4,5,6, and from this perspective episode 7 is by far the weakest. So things like Fin turning good cuz reasons, no character background for such a pivital point in the chracters life, Poe dameron being the best piolet who saves fin only to appear dead for the majority of the movie only to make shitty unexplained come back with no sotry of what the hell he was doing all this time, Kylo turning to the darkside cuz reasons, again no characer background, Kylo who is partially trained in both the force and saber combat can't easily take down Fin who has no training only to get defeated by Rey who also has had no training in the force or saber combat but is the most power force user cuz reasons. These things make for poor character development, then add a crappy retelling of the original movies and you get a terrible movie, why the retread? the universe is so rich, so why not make something within the universe that is unique and would of made better use of Rey, Fin, Poe dameron? The way I see it episodes 8, and 9 will just rehash the battle with a new Vader and a new palpatine. If your a star wars fan this has to disapoint you on some level, but hey these are just my opinions so I'll leave it at that.
