| Soundwave said: 1.) Yes Eye Toy and Sing Star were doing well, but Sony basically backed off that and was never going to make a "casual console" because they had too much success with the existing audience. Hence by 2005 or so, Nintendo had that casual market all to themselves. There was no iPhone or tablets or anything. Just PS3 at $600 and XBox 360 and the PSP. None of which were making any real efforts to get casual players. Yes Wii and DS were successful, but this is TEN YEARS AGO now. Nintendo needs to get over it, this is ancient history, you might as well also say the NES was successful. They were rewarded handsomely for these successes, but its in the *past*. It won't work again. 2.) What I mean is they have failed to find that "next big fad". They struck it big several times from 2004-2008, but since then they have come up with nothing. And like I said the Wiimote was not even really created by them, it was technology that fell into their lap only because Sony and MS passed on it. So it required a good amount of luck even the first time. I mean hey, if some inventor comes to them today in 2015 and drops a OMGAMAZINGREVOLUTION! controller in their laps, great ... go ahead and make a console around. I just don't see this happening again. It was extreme serendipity that it happened the first time. Touch gaming is big, but its benefitting Apple and Google now ... Nintendo, not so much. So yippie they get a ribbon for 'inventing it' ... they can put that next to the one where they invented the analog stick and d-pad. But this doesn't do them any good going forward. They haven't done anything "big" in this area for almost 10 years now. Because it's hard to pull a miracle gimmick out of your hat on demand. 3.) Tom Quinn is basically the inventor of the Wii motion tech. He took it first to MS and Sony and then finally went to Nintendo only after being rejected by both of them. And even then many at Nintendo were opposed to buying the tech, it was Atushi Asada who decided to buy the tech 4.) Nintendo makes great games, but all I'm saying is maybe we should not make the Wii/DS era the be all, end all. They clearly when you look at the Wii and DS had several moments of luck, not the grand master plan that everyone thinks they did. And it shows ... since 2008 ... they haven't been able to iterate on the success of the Wii or DS for shit and basically have lost that entire audience to Apple and Google, who have taken it far beyond what Nintendo ever did. Today more casuals play video games on a daily basis moreso than ever before ... it just happens to be on their phone or tablet. |
1) Sony did not "backed off" the casual marked right away..
They talked about singstar much back then.. made the "singstore" and they also released wireless microphones in 2009.. Eyetoy same thing.. 2,0 much better.. and remember how much they talked about ps home.. The move controller was also an atemt to get in on the "wii action".. And not to forget the "best and cheapest bluray player".. So.. Ps3 did infact try to get the more "casual" player.. and had alot of "offerings" for them.. I would say that psp had many games for the casual player.. who just want a fast game in bus or what ever.. And I also think the psp mediacababilitys was "casual"
And "Nintendo needs to get over it" what does that mean.. ?
2) Nice to see you remembered wii-fit (2008).. But yes if you not look at 3DS as a succes (i do)
Also I dont think Nintendo inventet the Upad or glasses free tech them self.. but they saw the posibilitys and believed in it..
If that link you gave is to be trusted (and it looks that way) Nintendo was mayby more lucky than i thought with wii.. (I thought it was sega fishing rod that gave them that iddea) But it dossent change much.. they believed in it and same could be said about kinnect.
"They havent done anything "big" in this area for almost 10 years now"
First wii-fit is only 8 year away (more than 30 mill) And that you agree is "new.. some people wanted" so why not just say 8 years.. ?
Second.. I see glasses free 3D as big.. and actully also the Upad.. (just becourse wiiu lost 3. party and not selling that much.. its still new and inovative)
3) look at 2
4) I dont think its luck.. One of the main reasons im a fan of nintendo is the very high quality of games and hardware.. and most importantly..the way they do things.. And I dont think im alone.. but offcourse everything is a series of luck..
(You could ague that I go to the toilet is luck.. becourse I almost died many times in my life.. and my father.. his father and so.. dating back to the first men and woman.. :)
And last "since 2008 ... they haven't been able to iterate on the success"
I see 3ds as a succes.. WiiU not so much.. but it still make them money.. all happy.. and now we wait for NX.. :)
