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SvennoJ on 13 December 2015
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o_O.Q said:
SvennoJ said:
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Men went on to assume that everything outside the cave was their domain. Yet as people started living longer, schools were invented and hunting turned to sport rather than survival, these ancient roles were no longer necessary. Yet it took until recently that the status quo was broken. It's less than a century ago that women were even allowed to vote. I would call that subjugation indeed.

Nowadays we laugh over things like the Good wife's guide (which might be a mock up, but I've seen all that stuff separately in old books), yet when my parents went to school it was still normal to teach the girls house keeping and cooking, while the boys did crafting etc. Less subjugation, more indoctrination.

 

i think that the reason for women casting off their chains from only about a century ago had less to do with indoctrination and intimidation or whatever and more to do with the industrial revolution

because as you should know life in the past was nothing like the life we experience now.... work didn't involve sitting in an air conditioned office in a soft chair typing away at a computer

work involved hard labourious tasks and as i think you would cencede women would have been less suited to working in these conditions for various reasons including that they are physically weaker and they can become pregnant

however when the industrial revolution came around pretty much just before the rise of first wave feminism, work got much much easier on the body and we started using machines to do various tasks

imo this opened up the work market for women and allowed them to become independent since they could work alongside men in various fields since work had become lass physically taxing

i don't think that people who claim it was because of indoctrination really understand what the work environment was like before we started using machines

True. And the task of raising kids and maintaining a household was much harder too, and people lived much shorter lives. Raising kids used to be a huge part of your life. The indoctrination didn't really start until the industrial revolution. Probably not even intentional, merely to propagate the historically established roles and better prepare both sexes of what was expected out of them in life.

Who knows what history was really like before the industrial revolution. There have been female painters and writers long before that. Working on a farm isn't that hard and there were plenty artisan jobs. Religion had a much stronger grip on society though and was very strict in the roles men and women are supposed to play. In that way indoctrination was pretty real. http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/says_about/womens_rights.html It still is in certain religions, Sharia law for example.