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DivinePaladin said:
HoloDust said:


They're not terrible games, they're just pretty terrible Fallout games - well, at least FO4 is terrible, FO3 is about what Alien 3 is to Alien and Aliens, not terrible, but not really good. Bethesda just never quite figured out what Fallout in its core is about, or if they did, they didn't really care much.

I'd argue the opposite. Fallout 4, as much as it's changed the gameplay compared to previous games, is more Fallout than 3 was. 3 gets a lot of love because of nostalgia but it was a god awful Fallout. I'll name one example of many: BoS. 4 is much less an RPG and I have some big problems with that at times but as a whole it's a much better game. The world feels more cohesive here to me, the sidequests are fun and there are more than a small few of them, et alia. The story is about as bad overall but I genuinely like the fact that I've been conflicted with which side to choose, even if that's because it's bad. 

 

It's firmly between 3 and NV for me in terms of my opinion; NV was exactly what Fallout would be nowadays while being a good modern game, and it will be hard to pass it in my eyes. I like some changes (Karma needed to go) but I miss some key things Obsidian did with NV (a trackable Reputation meter for all the areas would be lovely). The DLC will decide it for me but NV is such a high standard. 3's still fun too, don't get me wrong - I've put 500 hours into it, but I couldn't go back after NV. 

Oh, by all means, NV is supperior to both FO3 and FO4, but that is to be expected given that Obsidian made it.

As for FO4...I don't know, the more I play it, the less I like it. Sure, there are some things that are decent enough, some things are somewhat better than FO3, but a lot of things are not - overall, at least for me, game is tragically blend and repetitive (not that FO3 was much better).

Maybe I was too optimistic that Bethesda would actually put some effort into making proper Fallout setting, you know, something that has great places like Glow, Necropolis, Vault City, NCR, Klamath, Den, Mariposa, New Reno...actually I can take any location from FO1/2 at random and the chances are it will be better than anything they've come up with.

For me, Bethesda's renditions just feel so off with the whole Fallout universe - sure, the paint is kinda there, but when you scratch undertneath it's completely different story...I mean, it's 200+ years after the war and there isn't anything even resembling Shady Sands, let alone some of the more developed settlements.

Anyway, for some reason I didn't have a problem finishing FO3, despite hating what Bethesda did with IP, but I guess FO4 with further dumbing down just put a nail in the coffin...lvl42 at the moment, I'm still playing it, but it's becoming quite tedious (apart from ocassional funny comment from KL-E-O or P.A.M., both belonging more in KOTOR alongside HK-47 than in Fallout).