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fatslob-:O said:

JEMC said:

I don't think that my expectations are too high.

When the first 28nm debuted, the 7950/7970 were <370mm² chip and the 670/680 were <300mm², and now both FuryX and 980Ti are twice as big, being 600mm². With the move to 16nm I expect the first bunch of cards to be around 300mm² again, so while the transistors will be more expensive there will also be less of them.

Besides, there's no way in hell that 480X/1070 won't outperform or at least come close to today's high end cards, and I also find it very hard to believe that neither AMD or Nvidia will launch them for more than $400.

With the Fury X and 980 Ti, both Nvidia and AMD are really cutting in their margins ... 

A 16nm 300mm^2 chip should have roughly the same amount of transistors as a 28nm 600mm^2 chip assuming ideal 2x die space scaling. I expect savings to come from microarchitectures, not from process nodes at this point ...

I don't even know the 480X/1070 details yet to make an educated guess ...

Well, of course the newer microarchitectures will have a big impact on performance. What's the point of making them if they don't improve things? .

I expect them to be more like 350mm², and while some of that die space will be "wasted" with newer features (DX12 and Vulkan stuff), HBM controllers are smaller than the GDDR 5 ones.

I don't have 480X/1070 details either, but they are supposed to be the second best cards (I hope AMD stops the "X" and "non-X" nonsense and launches less cards), they can't be sloughs.