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Ali_16x said:
Snoopy said:

Microsoft has a better track record (not perfect) than Sony regarding release dates. Sony is usually off with their release dates. If you actually believe in them then go ahead. Chances are they won't release the games on time.

Most of those remasters like gears were actually remade outside of rare replay. If you include old games with slight upgrades I guess I can include the 360 bc.

I never said all Japanese games are bad and there you go assuming. Also, most Japanese Anime games if not all don't appeal to the common person or hardly anyone ( around 30,000 sales first month for dragon quest lol). Its like me recommending anyone sesame street here for the kinect because it got good reviews.Unless you have a little kid its a tough sale. Its fine people like you love anime games and all, but most people don't care about those games and its the reason why they are dying off fast. Those games are usually use to fluff the ps4 list, but no one really buys it and I guarantee you most people who make the list don't buy it either. So there isn't much point listing those games other than fluff. Lastly, a lot of those anime games you're talking highly about you can find on the ps3 so it isn't really exclusive at all. Games like persona 5 were made with ps3 in mind and ported to ps4. Won't be much of a difference other than resolution. If you can include ps3 games does this mean I can include xbox 360 games running on xbox one through bc or PC games that are going to be on xbox one like city skyline?

You said people are misleading, they're not because the games are set for 2016, plain and simple. I'm baffled at how you're even trying to argue this. And Sony has been announcing their games late in the games development cycle so we don't have to wait as long for the game. Guerilla has been working on Horizon for about 3 years and it'll be 4 years by 2016. Same with TLG, Sony re announced it at E3 because they were sure that it would make it for 2016. You just want to say they'll be delayed because it'll make you feel better about your Xbox. 

Haha, are you being serious? Gears of War is a remake and not a remaster? LOL. oh of course it is. It's definitely not the same game with upgraded graphics. I absolutely remember seeing GoW: UE having brand new content they made just for the UE and having brand new game mechanics.  Gears of War UE is running on the SAME codes and using the same voice acting as the first version it was released but with better graphics. That is NOT a remake. You have no idea what a remake is.

You implied that Japanese games are bad when you brought in Godzilla and tried to downplay the list, that's absoutely what you did. You're saying that the games I listed are bad. I want you to tell me which games are bad and why? You still haven't done that. It also doesn't matter if it doesn't appeal to the common person, we all know that certain games appeal to certain people, it's not that hard. Why does that matter? Why are you pointing out the obvious? Of course Digimon isn't going to sell a lot of units nor is it going to attract casuals, but what does it have to do with anything? It's going to sell to people who want to play JRPGs. I want you to explain to me what the sales of a game has to do with the quality. I will be buying those games because they seem like quality titles and the sales shouldn't matter.

Why does it matter if those games are on PS3? For people who have PS4s, why would it matter? I want you to explain to me for all the people that own a PS4, what does it have to do with it being also on PS3? Is it going to make it a less of a game? Is the game going to suck now? The only thing that is different from the PS3 is graphics, that's all the new generation of systems can offer, better graphics. And that doesn't affect the quality of the game. LOL, you literally just made a topic about how gameplay should only matter and now because of graphics, you imply that it will be of a less game? Oh the irony. You seriously are too much.

Oh ok, you complaining about me putting PS3 remasters? Ok, here I'll remove them.

Horizon: Zero Dawn
The Last Guardian
Uncharted 4
Ratchet and Clank
Street Fighter V
Gran Turismo Sport
Dreams
Gravity Rush Remastered
Gravity Rush 2
Persona 5
World of Final Fantasy
Nier: Automata
Star Ocean 5
Kingdom Hearts 2.8
Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth
Odin Sphere
Attack on Titan
The King of Fighters XIV
Resident Evil: Umbrella Corps
Guilty Gear Xrd: Revelation
Amplitude
Guns Up!
The Tomorrow Children
RIME
Alienation
Shadow of the Beast
Kill Strain
Wattam
What Remains of Edith Finch
Fat Princess Adventures
Drawn to Death

There, I removed Heavy Rain, the only game that is a PS3 remaster. Wow I can see how different this list is compared to the first time. Oh and before you say anything, Gravity Rush is a PS Vita game and Kingdom Hearts 2.8 contains a 3DS game, not PS3 games. And you're saying that remasters shouldn't be on here because people on the PS3 could have played them, well they aren't PS3 games. Oh and you didn't answer me, how is being a remaster bad? Is it not a game anymore? Are people not going to play them? That's the point of games, to play them, it shouldn't matter if they are remasters, because not everyone has played them. And I love how you're complain about remasters when the list only contains 3 out of 32, lol. Enjoy. I find your downplaying so funny and sad a the same time, but I should hardly say I'm surprised by what you say. And if you can answer me in all the questions I asked you, don't bother replying.

How about list the new AAA games instead of f2p games, indie games, niche japanese games and remaster games. The biggest point of owning a new next gen system is new AAA experiences not old ports of games. Indie games and f2p games is nice and all and xbox one has a lot of them coming up too, but if we buy consoles for indie games, f2p games and old ports, you should buy an Apple TV because Apple TV will get a huge amount of indie games and f2p games. Probably end up with more of them then the xbox one and PS4 combined. I am excited for uncharted 4, GT sport (if it releases next year and a good game) and I will give you ratchet and clank because they will actually remake the game and it will play and look differently (maybe not entirely). I don't like sf5 because Im not into fighting games, but that is a AAA game. However, a lot of those Japanese anime games aren't AAA because it only appeals to a niche group of people and the budget , production value, gameplay, ect...  is low compare to a AAA game. Games like Horizion and TLG will more than likely be delayed. No fanboy stuff, just being real.