M. Pachter: 'Nintendo's new console needs GTA, Call of Duty and FIFA to avoid Wii U disaster'

[Cloudman]

Teeqoz said:

Cloudman said:
Well, how specific. Now 3rd party alone isn't enough, and must have those particular 3? Umm, already Patch ; ) And when did focusing a lot on 1st party become a bad thing? That's great! Nothing like your console having a great first party line up. You get the best of both worlds if you can get great 1st party and 3rd party games.

I think at this point Patch just hates Nintendo and wants them to die x ) He just keeps raising the requirements needed for it to 'succeed'

Really now? This is one of the most reasonable things he has said lately (I get that that doesn't mean much, but whatevs). These requirements are literally the basic minimum for what could be considered even halfway decent third-party support, and you're calling these requirements high?

 

Would you rather he says "Nintendo needs to keep on making the deals with third-parties as they did this gen; get exclusive crap Sonic games from SEGA, get roughly three last gen ports, and in additon two CoDs and one Fifa, and then they can pretty much call it a day"?

 

Getting all Cods Fifas & Maddens and the basically one GTA that releases each gen isn't setting the bar high for third party support. It's pretty much the lowest possible bar to set and still be able to say that it might actually make an impact. 

The bar Pachter is setting for Nintendo's third party support:

Sony's and MS's bar for third party support:

 

 

That's how big the difference is between getting just the annual Cods, Fifas, Maddens , Skylanders, Disney Infinitiesand the Lego games, vs getting all those, + Destiny, Fallout, The Elder Scrolls, The Witcher, Batman Arkham, Assassin's Creed, Battlefield, Mortal Kombat, Borderlands, Battlefront, Mass Effect, Dragon Age, Far Cry, NBA, Metal Gear Solid, Middle Earth: Shadow of Mordor, The Evil Within, Need for Speed, Wolfenstein, Doom, Mad Max, NHL, Dying Light, and I could keep on listing more here.

This isn't setting the bar high. This is setting the bar at a minimum for third party support.

Aside from that, no, there's nothing wrong with focusing a lot on 1st party, but when you appear to be completely oblivious to third parties, then you should focus more on third party. That doesn't mean they should focus less on 1st party. Their own developers won't be handling third party games lol. They just need to spend some money on third party relations. Sony and Ms (and probably Nintendo as well, but you wouldn't know it from the current situation) have their own third party relations teams which work to ensure/improve 3rd party support. Nintendo obviously need to increase their efforts there, without that negatively impacting their 1st party development teams in any ways.

PAchter doesn't hate Nintendo. Just because he criticizes the stupid business decisions they make doesn't make him a hater. If that was the case, 90% of all the Nintendofans on this site would be Nintendo haters. Pachter applauds Nintendo's good decisions (ie. amiibo, mobile, and he knows Nintendo is a software powerhouse), and he criticizes stuff like their 3rd party support. This makes him sensible, not a hater. 

 

While I'm not sure there is even a point in Nintendo pursuing 3rd parties anymore, as their image with gamers might simply be too tainted to ever gain any notable amount of the typical "3rd party game" audience (whatever that is ), this wouldn't be setting a high bar for Nintendo if you think they should try to pursue 3rd parties.

But eh, if you think these are high requirements for 3rd party support, fair enough.

Hmm, yeah, I can see Patch's statement on needing a particular couple of games to succeed as a bare minimum. I just took it as "Regardless of what 3rd party they get, whether is be a modest amount or everything availble but the missing few, if they are missing those particular ones, then they are doomed to fail" which is why I can't really take this comment serious. I'd rather he say something like Nintendo needs to build better relationships with 3rd parties to get as many of them on board to release games on their consoles, as well as possible collaborations to get unique games for the system. I would have accepted that. But the way Patch says it, it seems like he just keeps on changing the requirements he thinks Nintendos need to succeed. And, with the things I have heard him say about Nintendo over the pass few years, I really can't take him all that seriously.