SvennoJ said:
SuperNova said:
spemanig said:
Tachikoma said:
So long as 4K is being dangled before developers likr the proverbial carrot, and the next big thing to slap on a game box before your competitors, you can say goodbye to 60fps let alone 120.
Personal note: those tv's they have in electronics stores with a sports match playing, and showing off the tv's 200+hz "fluid motion" crap, I always find those to be jarringly weird, even though it isn't really possible they feel like they're running smoother than real life, its hard to explain.
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I think it has something to do with the difference between the way cameras capture footage and the way our brains effect how we percieve the world. High framerate cameras, as far as I can tell, don't capture or add motion blur. As far as I am aware, that's something our brains naturally add to fast moving objects in the world to help us comprehend them better, but since that's not the way high framerate video is displayed at all, its just flashing lights, our brains can't do that motion blur fill in, making everything look weird. Basically, if we saw the world the way these cameras capture the world, when you waved your hand in front of your face, instead of seeing a big blurry mess of skin, you'd see the very detailed and accurate movement of your hand rapidly moving back and forth with substantially less to completely nonexistant blur.
In a way, it sort of is smoother than in real life, because our brains can't cheat for us.
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Oh! That explains why I like 60 fps in video games (where they can add motion blur) but it makes me motion sick with real life footage. I always get a really wierd uncanny-valley feeling when I watch streamers that stream in 60fps and I didn't like the 48fps of the Hobbit much either. Although I think I'm slowly getting used to it.
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Do you have that problem with tv too? 1080i broadcast has been used next to 720p. Some shows do have 60i capture. Most are 30 or even 24fps though.
How about games before motion blur? A lot ran at 60fps, on PC all. Motion blur is just a recent thing.
True, on a monitor it looks more like a game than on tv
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJMYJzaKCq4
Dr Who does look more fake than the usual 30fps show. Lighting requirements are different at 60fps, and since it looks more 'real' props and make-up have to step up too. There are also less gaps for your brain to fill in detail. Star trek original series looked pretty real on a crappy b&w analog tv, the enhanced 1080p version is still charming yet it looks like a high school play.
Some motion sickness is also due to how the camera works
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wi5aNTHUVk
Especially at the start you see that the camera capture is too slow for 60fps and the picture constantly deforms. That's a problem with digital camera's that don't take an instant picture, yet continually scan from top to bottom (or bottom to top) When you snap a picture out of a fast moving car with your phone the picture usually seems to bend in the direction you're travelling.
Plus giving your eyes better motion clues at 60fps is of course the first cause of motion sickness. The conflict between your inner ear and visual clues only becomes stronger. Yet at 2:42 the camera is stationary, is that still uncomfortable to watch?
Here's another comparison
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChsT-y7Yvkk
The Avatar footage looks better than ever imo. Looked fake anyway, might as well look smooth and fake :)
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Thanks for your reply. It's an awesome post!
As for your questions, I don't tend to get it as much with normal Tv broadcasts. Sometimes I get little motion sick, it happens very rarely though. I've never had it watching Dr. Who.
With 60 FPS games before motion blur, I'm not too sure. I've never noticed any troubles, so I guess it might be more than just the motion blur. Also, with games a lot depends on how the camera moves. One Allison Road demo video made me miserably motion sick, for example.
Hmm. So basically I become motion sick because 60 fps looks too close, to reality and my brain can't deal with the dissonance.
I do get motion sick with 60 fps on a stationary camera too though, so it not just limited to fast camera movement or fast action heavy scenes, wich is wierd I guess.
Avatar looks like a really beautiful game already, so I'm not as bothered.;P
Also I saw your reply to speaming after posting mine, so thanks for clarifying!
