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pokoko on 19 November 2015
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Mummelmann said:


How does it break immersion that a character with low strength isn't able to wield a ridiculously large gun? For me, it's the other way around; my immersion is broken when I can wield that gun with low strength. I guess we just like different things.

It seems that some of the things that you love about this game are the very same that I dislike, and there's nothing wrong with that. But I honestly don't understand how certain restrictions in the game world breaks immersion.

SvennoJ: I played AD&D, Rolemaster, Battletech, VTM and a few custom made RPG's when I grew up and even though rules were negotiable in some cases, there were still stats, skills, classes, thac0, AC and other factors that were firmly set in the game's mechanics.
In later additions (v.3), a wizard could wield a sword but would never get very good with it, in rolemaster, you could wear chainmail as a spellcaster but it had a chance to interfere with the magic etc.

There was never anything like pokoko is describing here in tabletop RPG's; there were restrictions and the choices you made when you created your character stuck with you for better or for worse and no one character could master everything. That would have removed the whole point of those games since it's all about building an adventuring group with different skills and abilities to best make it unscathed through dungeons and quests.
Having 3-5 overpowered ultra characters basically without restrictions would have completely ruined the whole concept, even my custom RPG's had classes with skill systems and certain restriction, so for me, this is a hugely important part of RPG's.
Not everyone may agree, sure, but I don't see that tabletop RPG's have much in common with Fallout 4 when it comes to restrictions and rules, and I surely don't see that this ever made it any less fun.
For me, it was the opposite; the most exciting parts were when your group faced challenges they weren't well equipped to handle and had to think and use strategy rather than just pounce and smash (this is especially true for Rolemaster, where combat is deadly).

It breaks immersion for me because, with one point in strength, I go from not even being able to equip a gun, to using it effectively.  I'm strong enough to be an expert shot with a .44 magnum but when I stumble across a 5.56mm pistol, I can't even fire it?  I was really annoyed by this mechanic and I'm glad it's gone.  I was always sacrificing for gear that gave me +str--but then'd I'd need to switch gear and I couldn't use a favorite weapon.

I don't think you're getting what I'm saying, really.  It's not that I like one kind of game, it's that I can enjoy different kinds.  I love all kinds of RPGs.  I would say, though, that I like restrictive class systems more when I have multiple party members.  Single-player games where I keep getting loot that I can't even use can get annoying.