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kappie1977 on 15 October 2015
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Nem said:

The US is a big country. Big to the point that its difficult to generalise about it.

I see a portion of the country wich is educated and brilliant, but i also see another portion that is ignorant and deplorable. This divise seems very apparent during elections where the results are always very even.
But, because the US is such a big country and holds such international power, this should embue its citizens with an added sense of responsibility for its role in the world, and not only internally. Sadly, i see alot of disregard for that fact and even on these forums you can see irresponsable comments of the sort "i will vote on this guy just to see what happens". There is no "just see". Once someone is put into power you can't unsee them.

As for the isolationist argument. That has been proven to be a very bad idea. Because the US is a deterrent power. Without a deterrent power, other powers will feel stronger and in the hands of the wrong person, things can escalate. Wich was the case in WW1 and especially 2.

Imagine this scenario: The US says they are neutral and wont interfere on any conflicts in the world. The remaining powers in the world will go unchecked. Imagine Putin just decides to invade Ukraine... because who will stop him? After that he thinks the same. If no one will stop me, why dont i get Belarus and others aswell. Who can stop me? At that point the european powers are in a deadlock with Russia, but can they stop them? It would be difficult. Putin could go Hitler style on Europe. If he suceeds on that, he will have the largest power in the world and then he can come for the US next in a bid for supremecy. Who can challenge him?


This is just one example. Any small power unchecked can become a huge problem later, that is why the US allied with western europe are the biggest deterrents to world war 3. They are the allies that brought an end to WW2 and led the democracies of the world to victory. If you break that, history may very well repeat itself, just like it did in the 1940's. The greed of man has no limits. If you give someone enough power and leeway to think they can get away with it, they will murder to get what they want.

 

I see several posts here defending this isolatonist pov and i am very saddened by it. The reason why the US plays police force is to prevent more tragedies like what WW2 was(though we are not naive to the point of thinking that there arent economic interests at play aswell). This is exactly the irresponsibility that i fear from the american people. Will more tragedies have to repeat themselves for the american people to remember why it is things got to this? Without the allies the world will be a ticking time bomb just waiting for the next mad man.

edit: That got a bit depressing. Thought i'd add something more positive. Love american movies, series and games. So thats good. :)

I agree with you that the USA is a very big country and it's very devided. But I don't agree with you that it's good that they are involving as a kind of world police force. This because most of the reasons of the conflicts are done because of this so called world police force. Look at a lot of countries which normally were small countries, but after WWII in coop with the USA are put together to create one country! The USA (also other govnerments in the world) have really no idea that you  can't just put different cultures together and make one country and think this will work out because you have the dictator/leader under controll! There are quite some examples of countries which have been complete disaster master plans from USA (with help with other Western countries). And therefore eventhough Russia and China are emerging countries which could be very powerfull in the near future and also scary, the most scary country currently is the USA with their manipulation. I have the feeling that USA is not really driven by the govnerment but by big companies which want to spread and have more influence in the world and therefore they mangle in all countries!

Your point about Putin I don't agree at all. I don't even think he would like to have any of the European countries currently! (He would get more problems than gaining anything) Puttin is only targeting old Sovjet countries and to be honest it's not so strange, because maybe you don't know but many people in those countries like Ukraine would love to be part of Sovjet/Russia again as they have been part of Russia for a long period and eventhough we here in the west don't like the communistic ways, I think they think the same way about our kapatilistic and so called Democratic govnerments! You can't force certain countries/cultures to change because you don't like their ways! And this is the biggest thing I hate about the USA Govnerment and also a lot of European politics that they are trying to change middle east countries into democratic countries. A lot of countries are still not really one united country and have smaller groups which rule and have (sometimes only minor) religious differences and therefore don't want to work together with the other groups, so why would we force those people to work with each other?