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Soundwave said:

Again, if the handheld is what has the userbase, but I can't run my modern engines on it from the PS4/X1, then for me as a third party this means shit to me. 

Third parties do not care about Nintendo. And I don't blame them for not caring, Nintendo has given them plenty of reasons not to. 

If anything NX will have a *harder* time because the Wii U was at least the sucessor to the monstrously successful Wii, and got things like Zombi U from Ubi Soft and Call of Duty from Activision, because developers had to some what show Nintendo some respect early on. When you sell 100 million the previous generation you get the benefit of the doubt a little bit. 

NX is following the Wii U though. It's another console that's several years behind the other two like the Wii U was. And you can't really run the same game on the handheld vs the console because the power gap between them is too large. Sure you can make versions for both but it likely requires a different dev team. Which isn't that different from the Wii U-3DS of today. What exactly is so appealling about this to a third party that doesn't really think much of Nintendo to begin with? 

The bottom line though is the PS4 will have 40+ million install base and XBox One past 20 million before Nintendo sells even one of these, and no firmware/development environment changes that. 

Why wouldn't they be able to run their engines on the NXDS? They run fine on phones and the Vita. Again, they don't have to work like the PS4/XBO versions. They just have to work, be easy to port to, and be sold on an installed base big enough to warrent the port, which they will be. The scaling will be easy and secondary. They will all make their games for the NX hardware and then do a simple scale way down and optimization for the NXDS version.

Third parties aren't against Nintendo either.

I don't think that's how it works at all. I think they will always have to show initial respect to Nintendo. Anyone can say anything about Nintendo, but it's called the big three and not the big two for a reason, and devs know that. There will definitely be late adopters to the NX, but there is no doubt in my mind that many of the early adopters for the Wii U will be there for the NX, with the difference being that they will be able to get a return on their investments thanks to a much much larger unified installed base.

None of that matters. The PS4 and XBO had amazing support at launch even when the PS360 had a combined 160m installed base. Let's not get carried away. 60m+ is crumbs by comparison.