Was the original Xbox the best Microsoft console?

[Angelv577]

Mr Puggsly said:

Angelv577 said:

Well yeah, I'm looking at quantity in some sense but not in the way of looking who has the most games in total but who has the most games of the popular genre as well as the most games in the rest of the genre.  I don't know about you but for me remasters don't have the same merit than games from scratch whether that is a true mainline game or spin off.  that those remaster play better? of course, I wouldn't expect less after all, it has better specs but in that sense, it is unfair but for the xb360 because of its limited specs.  Those games play more than enough on xb360 for what the console offer in terms of specs.  Don't see it fair to say "but those games play better on xb1", no offense but duh, it would have been a dissapointment if it weren't capable to play those games better.   Just think about what kind of games you had at your disposal during the whole last gen and compare that to what you might have this gen.  For me it's irrelevant if the xb1 version looks and play better because both gen(last gen and current) didn't compete at the same time, therefore, we play each gen individually, appreciating each gen for what they were capable.  in that sense it's not fair for xb360.

I rather compare who has the most unique tittles whether that is a true mainline or spin off.  Remasters don't take the same amount of time to make than new games.  Regarding to the racing genre, what I meant is that in the 360 library it has 3 different racing games to choose from exclusive wise.  forza simulator, horizon and PGR as exclusive.  XB1 so far we have forza simulator and horizon exclusive wise.  That xb1 doesn't need PGR? maybe, but that should be decide by each fan, especially those who enjoy PGR last gen.  Still 3 popular racing game on xb360 vs. 2 on xb1 mean, there was more choices to choose from last gen compare to this gen.

It's obvious by now you have different criteria to determine which is your favorite console and that's fine.  I have my own personal criteria, same as the person who started this thread saying that his favorite xbox console is the original.

Having the most games in a popular genre isn't worth much if most aren't very good. Its the good and great games that matter. In numerous genres the X1 will have a stronger library even with less games in those genres.

Remasters are worth more than you give credit for. The Halo games were on 360, but now better experienced on the X1. If you're gonna recommend a platform to play the Halo games on it will be the X1. X1 is going to have the old and new Halo games, while 360 will simply have the old games. That's an edge in the X1 library.

Forza Horizon is basically is the spiritual successor to PGR. It brings back some of the mechanics of that series and was even developed by some of the old Bizarre Creations team. Hence, that void is filled. Maybe they could make a game called Forza: PGR. But putting the resources to build a completely new PGR isn't worthwhile. You're now concerning yourself with quantity of IPs in the same genre.

Anybody who says OG Xbox is their favorite console has nostalgia for the games of that time. Like my first response, its all about preference.  I don't anticipate 360 or X1 will have an objectively better library.

But even if you consider popular names in the popular genre, games that review well, xb360 is ahead of xb1 right now and remain to be seen if in the next 3 to 4 year, it will change.  Yes, I dont give remasters much credit, 2 reasons, one because they are made to fill up the gap for the absence of mainline games and second because they never feel as fresh as the first time.  Remasters for me are an easy way out to improve the library, in this case, 360 deserved the bigger credit even if remasters play better. 

To be honest, I completely disagree  with your mentality of "no need to have similar games in the same genre ", if this the case, then there is no point in making sequel since they practically play the same, looks almost the same.   No need for forza 7 or horizon 3 or no need for Dark souls 3 since we already have DS2.  Besides, my memory might be a little bit off but PGR felt a bit different in the racing mechanics.  Also forza cover racing simulation, horizon combine simulation/arcade feeling with more open tracks, I dont see why not PGR wouldnt be suitable for those who like 100% arcade racing with close tracks.  I am sure it will find an audience as well.  Of course I am concernig about quantity of ip, the more the merrier as long as there is something that distinguish them.  With more power I am sure they can come up with something unique.  

I agree with your last sentence, its hard to consider the original as the best xbox console but that is not on me to determine that.