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JWeinCom on 09 September 2015
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padib said:
JWeinCom said:

I have read some Rousseau, stop throwing your fucking textbooks at me.

I was talking about social contract theory.  Rousseau wrote about it, so I mentioned someone you could read to learn more.  Don't know why you're butthurt about that.

I don't agree in your socially-centric view on life. I don't, absolutely don't do things just because we progress as a society.

I do things because I think, personally, that they are right.

And yes this all ties back to the topic. I live upon my own personal convictions about what is right and what is wrong, not about what is better or worse for society, that is bs. We don't work that way. Everyone is a pebble of sand on a beach, we each play our parts and ultimately it leads to the way society works but in our interactions, we behave based on personal convictions. IMHO

And if we all act simply according to our own desires, that defies the whole point of any legal system, and reduces us to anarchy.  If you think it's ok to rape people, then it is good to have a system in place that prevents you from doing that, and punishes you if you do.  If I think it's ok to steal babies and eat them, it's also good to have a system in place to stop that.  

If you think that we should not have any mechanisms in place to protect human rights, then I sincerely hope you never have to live in the world you want.

I don't know, you're telling me to read this, read that. Would you like it if I told you read some rousseau, some descrartes, some socrates, without knowing if you read them or not?

Do you really think it's normal that someone thinks it ok to rape people?

I think that too much of your logic stems from assuming some messed-up urban society with all kinds of weird tendencies. It makes more sense to judge conscience in the setting of a healthy, let's say, nomadic tribe or something that vies to survive and do things right.

I'm telling you to read this read that?  I told you to read one thing that is relevant to the topic at hand.  If you told me to read something I've read, I'd probably say "I've already read that" without getting pissy.

Judging by the amount of rape that happens in the world, I'd say enough people think it is ok that it is in our best interest to make laws regarding it.  I can't say whether or not they think its ok, because I am not inside their heads.  Our modern society is the result of a system of government and law that has been built for about 5000 years give or take 5000 years or so.  If we didn't have any laws, I'm not sure what the society would look like, but we have enough failed states to figure it would probably not be good.

Are you suggesting that there should be no system in place to safeguard anyone's rights or wellbeing?  Because once you argue that each government agent has the right to do whatever they please, then you are arguing for anarchy.  You're arguing that nobody has any sort of fundamental rights.  And that is view that seems incredibly dangerous.