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Rpruett said:
bouzane said:


I just have to ask, in what way was Reagan's presidency successful? Also, how in the hell were his intentions in the Iran Contra scandal pure? Helping Sunni Islamofascists ascend to power as part of the Carter / Reagan Doctrine was appauling as far as I am concerned. Seriously, why support presidents that do more to advance Saudi Arabian interests than our own?

On topic:

I completely agree with Trump's econmic stance because you really need to be backed by a tough negotiator in order to reap the benefits of international trade. There is no point in approaching the global market with the intent to sign unequel treaties that favor other nations. This is where I think Trump could do the most good. However, I just don't trust him and I feel that he'll turn out to be little more than another corporate puppet who bows to special interests / the aristocracy and I'm amazed that people put so much faith in him. It's almost like America has never elected a wealthy man to office who simply abused his power to further his own agenda at the expense of the people. Trump seems to be just another greasy politician and it strikes me as naive to believe that he will be any different than those who proceeded him. What he tries to pass off as honest and outspoken seems calculated and manipulative to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OednG4Ha4R0

Every time I hear Trump's name all I can think of is this sound bite. The man's focus on illegal immigration is concerning to say the least. This is certainly an issue that needs to be addressed but it pales in comparison to several other, more damaging problems the nation faces. It seems like he is simply using Mexico to pander to the only demographic taking him seriously while distracting the people from issues he is incapable of tackling.

His economic success is very evident for almost anyone to look at the statistics.  The economy that Reagan inherited was in worse shape than the one that Obama had inherited as well.  This country grew significantly, economically speaking during the Reagan presidency and Bush 1 and Clinton were benefactors of it.  GDP growth from the tenure of the Reagan presidency was around 32% net growth.  Median household income increased close to 10% during Reagan's presidency (Has been absolutely stagnant during Obama presidency for example).

It doesn't pale in comparison.  This country needs to regain it's economic power in order to remain the most relevant world power.  Illegal immigration is a big problem because of the ever increasing social safety net and taking jobs from legal Americans.  Last numbers that I have read -- Have over 300,000 illegal immigrants ending up in this country per year and the net effect of that is exponential.  Especially -- when you factor in the fact that this country has almost enitrely lost their manufacturing sector to Chin and Mexico.   So now,  all lower paying jobs are going to illegal immigrants and there's an able bodied segment of America that can't get jobs. 

Trump's primary focus is to ensure America becomes an economic powerhouse.  Illegal immigration is  tied into that primary focus because of how it impacts the countries ability to grow.


There is no debate that Reagan inherited an economic situation that was terrible to put it mildly but I don't know if I would call it worse than the mess that Bush Jr created.  You raise some valid points but Reagan's economic accomplishments still don't strike me as particularly impressive considering the amount of debt he racked up during his time in office. I agree that the recovery from the 2007 recession is appauling but that still doesn't make the 1981 recovery especially impressive either. Just because the Obama administration is an utter joke doesn't mean that the two years it took for Reagan to reverse the upward climb in unemployment was worthy of praise (especially when taken in context).

TL/DR

Reagan = D
Obama = F

Also, I'm still not seeing illegal immegration as being nearly as big of an issue as Trump is making it out to be and I think he's using it as a distraction tactic. That being said, I do believe that it is a problem and would certainly want to see somebody finally address it.