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Miyamotoo on 21 August 2015
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JEMC said:
Miyamotoo said:
JEMC said:
Miyamotoo said:

In case that @Soundwave mentioned, itins simple portable, its something between home and handheld console, home and handheld in one device, portable that can stream games wirelessly to the TV, that definitely would worth around $250 price point.

A handheld that connects to the TV to play games on it is not a home console. Otherwise, the PSP, which you could connect to the TV with a simple components cable, could also be called a home console... and it wasn't.

And the device you both mention is maninly a handheld console, so its capabilities (like battery life) and price will be judged accordingly. At then, the $250 price point will make it fail like it did with the 3DS.

Also, both you and Soundwave don't remember or ignore that not so long ago Nintendo said (unfortunately, I could not find a link to the exact statement) that while in Japan the handheld market is still viable unlike the home consoles market that has shrunk a lot, in the west the situation is the complete opposite and is very home console orientated. Therefore, the most logical approach would be to only launch the NX handheld in Japan and the NX home console in the west, as that's what the market demands.

Will Nintendo do it? Of course not! It's ridiculous! It's almost as ridiculous as to think that Nintendo will launch a device to work as a portable and home console, but gives a gimped experience to one or both group of users: handheld gamers could get an overpowered (to get higher than Wii U level of graphics) machine that as a result has a low battery life or home console gamers could end with a weak machine (because it will have improved graphics compared to the 3DS, but they will still be far, far away from the competition).

PSP could connect to TV and played game only on small part of TV and game looked pretty bad. NX could basicly do what Wii U doing, 720p on TV and 720p on device itself.

Like I wrote, that wouldn't be just handheld, handheld that can act like home console, so you really can't compare that with 3DS and 3DS price point.

Define home console, whats a main point of home console!? Playing games on your TV and staying at home, this will be some sort of mobile home console or if you like handheld that acts like home console.

That is probably main reason why Nintendo will be probably do this, because in Japan people can use this device like classic handheld and at West like clasisic home console, this is a device for handheld and home console users, it will targeting both in same time.

Like Soundwave mentioned, maybe there will be some optional device, dock or some sort of addon for 1080p and reacher graphic.

PSP games looked bad because of the resolution, just like Wii games looked bad (with a lot of jaggies) on big screens. That doesn't go against my point.

Yes, I can compare NX and 3DS if NX ends up being a handheld that connects to the TV. It's just another handheld feature.

I'll be honest, I no longer can define what a home console is. Since the PS2 era, the line between a home console and a multimedia device started to blurry. With the PS3/Xbox360 that line became even more blurrier and in this gen... well, remember the discussions about the back then xbox720? Oh, 2014. Well, you could be here as a lurker, there were a lot of people and analysts (what a surprise) that believed that it would be a media center that played videogames rather than a videoconsole with media capabilities. And then with Wii U having a screen that makes TVs unnecessary...

Your last two points lead to me to my final point: price, audience and resources management. If it's a 2 on 1 kind of device, Nintendo will have to sell them the whole package, not only the "console" but also a controller and a docking station. Because of course there will be something to connect the console to the TV, not all TVs have wifi and even then, Nintendo used propietary chips to send the data between the WiiU and the GamePad, so they weren't confident on regular wifi connections to work properly. That increases the price.

Also. there won't be an addon to increase the power. Just think about it, to do that you need to go two ways:

1-The handheld has powerful enough specs to run the games on TV at higher resolution or with extra visuals. It runs at full speed when docked and at 50-60% when used as a handheld.

That means means that instead of buying 15 millions of low spec and cheap chips for the handheld and 5 millions of higher specs and more expensive chips for the home console, Nintendo will be forced to buy the whole 20 millions chips of the more expensive kind because they won't know who will use it only as a handheld or who will the 100% of it. More expensive chips make a more expensive machine.

2-The station or addon has its own hardware. That can work two ways: A-The station has the hardware used to run the games on TV, making the handheld little less than a storage device; or B-The station has a set of hardware that, when you connect the machine, works with the hardware of the handheld and together have enough power to run the games at high/very high (to use PC nomenclature).

The problem with that is that going any of those routes is ridiculous. If the station has the hardware tu run the games, there is no need at all for the handheld, so it can be sold separately as a true home console. And I won't even talk about sharing hardware to run games, I can't even imagine how hard it would be to develop any kind of game for a system with two CPUs (not CPU cores, but two individual and not directly connected CPUs) and two GPUs in the same situation. It's not only that third parties would stay away from that monster, it's that even for Nintendo that would be too expensive to even consider it.

None of those options is a good or even intelligent approach. 

 

And now, think about this: if you start to add all those extra expenses (the complete package and the expensive or the extra hardware included), you end with a machine that is far from cheap.

Yes PSP game looked bad because of resolution and take only part of TV screen because of that nearly nobody used that function, NX would probably have resolution 720p on TV.

"Yes, I can compare NX and 3DS if NX ends up being a handheld that connects to the TV. It's just another handheld feature."

-If you have good image on TV (expecting at least Wii U IQ) handheld basically acts like home console too, so you can easiyl compare NX with Wii U too, not just with 3DS.

Nintendo can include in package only some sort of USB-HDMI dongle for conecting NX hybrid device.

I am not sure about optional device, add on, dock or something similar, but hybrid device, handheld that acts like home console in same time, have sense for me.