Official Metroid Thread - Samus is back!

[MTZehvor]

Mike321 said:

MTZehvor said:

The operative word is he "could" say that, but he doesn't. Until he does give a direct command to do so, it doesn't qualify.

And no, I'm not telling you that Samus interacts with the GF more in Other M. What I'm telling you is that Samus cooperates and acts towards the same goal with Federation troopers (i.e. the very definition of a joint mission) far more in Other M than in Corruption. Even without direct cooperation, Samus' objectives in Other M are basically the exact same as the soldiers; search the ship for suvivors. In Corruption, the only time they are the same are the "protect the troopers" mission. She destroys the seeds without any cooperation from soldiers, she boards the Valhalla and takes control of the Leviathan without any cooperation from soldiers, and she invades Phaaze and destroys Dark Samus without any direct cooperation from Federation soldiers. The objectives she's trying to accomplish are always different than the ones the Federation soldiers are pursuing; i.e. not a joint mission.

The last point about making the Prime series non canon would make the entire series non-canon as well. I agree Other M's portrayal of Samus is terrible, but as far as canoncity is concerned, it's just horrible writing and nothing more.

Last reply because you clearly don't get my point on Dane and Adam. Both Samus and the federation cooperate together to Invade and take down the pirates homeworld (joint mission by your definition) that alone is MORE cooperation on a BIGGER scale and FAR MORE IMPORTANT that the cooperation Samus had with Adam and crew (which was none because as I said Adam and company are COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT). So even if you don't want to recognize the whole prime 3 game as a joint mission, you can't deny that the invasion to the pirate homeworld (not just samus protecting the troops) is a joint mission, as both the federation and samus fight together to take them down, and that mission alone is more important than whatever interaction you think Samus had with Adam and the others because they don't help her at all. Take Adam and the others and you know what happens? Samus finishes the mission faster. Take Dane and the federation and you know what happens? Samus has a harder time taking down the space pirates (not saying is impossible because is Samus and she can do anything).

I get your point on Dane and Adam, the problem is that, for some reason or another, the definition of a joint mission simply isn't connecting with you on some level.

Let me put it as clearly as I can. For something to be a joint mission, the two sides have to be doing essentially the same thing. The assault on the Pirate Homeworld does not count because Samus isn't ever shooting Space Pirates with any Marines (with the exception of when she's babysitting the bomb troopers). After the babysitting stuff is done, Samus (once again) goes off on her own to do something entirely seperate (in this case, blow up the Leviathan) while the Federation handles the actual fighting the Space Pirates.

To put it simply; the Federation is fighting the Pirates on the ground, Samus is fighting Ridley and blowing up the Leviathan. Two entirely seperate tasks. If Samus had, for instane, joined up with some Federation platoon and the entire team had taken on Ridley, then that would be an entirely different story. But Samus goes off on her own to do something else entirely different while the actual main battle takes place elsewhere.

And, yes, take away Dane and Samus would have a harder time, sure. One side making things easier for the other doesn't equate to a joint mission, however. I'd have a really hard time getting to school were it not for people paving roads, but that doesn't mean I'm in a joint mission with the Department of Infrastructure.

Perhaps the biggest point in all of this, though, even IF that qualifies as a joint mission, I still see no reason to suddenly dismiss the whole Prime series as non-canon when there are far simpler explanations for a single line of dialogue. Samus may not have considered such a small portion of her task to be a joint mission. Or she may simply have not been thinking. Or she may have been thinking of a joint mission in the context of following a more rigid structure like she had back in the Federation. There are far more simpler and much easier explanations than jumping to the conclusion that that one line of dialogue was intended to undermine the entire Prime series.