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Samus Aran said:
sc94597 said:
Samus Aran said:
sc94597 said:
 

So there are no jobs in between Walmart and having a Master's Degree? I know a plethora of people who make significant amounts with just an associate's or a bachelor's, and would not get a masters because they don't have the time nor can they afford to lose money for what would be a marginal to no pay difference.

Eh, we can include Bachelor's (although they're quite useless in my country) if you want. Not sure what you mean with associate's, not familiar with that term.


Associate's is a two year degree people get from junior or community colleges. Many types of nurses have associates degrees and great jobs that pay well (albeit they can go higher and get paid more.) The top 30 or so jobs that require an associates pay a median salary of $50,000. Since people with associate's don't have a lot of loan debt, if any, they tend to have higher standards of living than people with bachelors or even higher. In most of the U.S $50,000 gives you a very comfortable standards of living, especially if your spouse makes just as much.

 

Furthermore, I know many people without degrees who are well educated voters. This includes a close friend of mine who is a painting contractor who makes $30,000/yr. Having started his own business, and been successful for 30 years, I think he deserves and has earned a right to vote on how other people affect his wellbeing and his business. Europeans have historically tried to eliminate social classes as well as economic classes, but from what I hear on the internet you guys are still behind Americans in the social class sphere of things. Plumbers, physicists, businessmen, medics, doctors, cashiers, and lawyers are quite frequently best friends, despite having huge income disparities in the U.S. Nobody is looked down upon for not pursuing formal educations. Trades aren't looked down upon as for the peasantry. And people who don't have degrees aren't viewed as less human and deserving of rights than others. Despite your pride in your welfare schemes and forced equality, it makes sense in your societies of stratified elites that you need such things. One can blame feudalism and its lasting effects, I guess.

Erm, that's not true at all. On social matters the US is about 50 years behind of Europe. You still get frowned upon in the US if you rely upon the help of unions. US is a lot more individualistic than Europe is. Social healthcare, insurances and unemployment support is leaps and bounds better in Europe than in the US.

Yet you believe that people without degrees are less than people with degrees and should not vote. Quite socially egalitarian there.