Immersion vs. Interaction: conflicting gamer tastes

[Kwaad]

GlingGling said:

Kwaad said:

I agree 100. However when swinging your remote has no more detail/interaction in the game, than a single button press and a slight analog movement. I see no more, if not less immersion. When I would play a 'dream' tennis game, I would hold the wiimote in my hand, and have 1:1 movement. However the way it is, I can hold the Wiimote in my mouth, and beat the hardest level computer, and any of my friends I have played with in the past.

Now how immersive is it, when the person next to you, is kicking your ass, when you are 'trying' to play tennis. and their... deep throating a wii-mote... and winning?!?!?!

Untill 1:1 comes, I will personally enjoy my dual analog sticks, with buttons.

Very interesting... it sounds like you want to play tennis. Seriously if you want to play 1:1 pick up a tennis raquet and cut out the middle man. For video games 1:1 isn't necessary right now. It's not VR, motion sensors simply expand the possibility of interaction. I've heard you make this 1:1 argument before but it's bunkum. I'll only assume you're talking about Wii Sports Tennis. If you are, this game was designed to be extremely accessible and has extremely simplified and restrictive controls. In Wii Sports Tennis you have no control over your players court position, this is done through AI. It's true you can waggle the Wiimote around randomly and hit the ball often. This is a simply designed game. Button mashing has always existed in video games, random waggling equates to this in said Tennis game.

Seriously though, go outside and play tennis. I'd like to see some more thought put into your posts in the future.

 Actually no, I am not waggling around the Wiimote randomly to win, it's not luck, it's not chance. It's skill. The base problem is, the way the Wiimote works, and the way the accelerometers in it work. Due to that, the software has to take shortcuts, and 90% of the  time, that means useing tha accelerometer as a simple 'button'. Now, if you wanted to get into some serious detail on teh' Wii you could factor in tilt/acceleration and thus, becuase of that the game could almost do a 1:1 interpetation. However the problem is, the accelerometer. It's not there yet. Now I'm not bashing the Wii. I hate the PS3's 'Six Axis' BS, and I hat ANYTHING that uses the accelerometer. I dont like jerking my hands to use as just, another button. I would like to play tennis, but the nearest tennis court to me is almost an hour away. I am actually not bashing the Wii on that comment, I am just saying, the new 'interaction' isnt always the best.

I think the Wii is fun, and I'm actually starting to pick up a few games for my Wii. However it still dosent get used that much, but still, my point is, it's not gathering dust anymore. (I'm picking up like 3 games)

However, I dont think the Wii can hold a finger to the PS3/360 in immersion. Infact, I dont think the PC can hold a finger to the PS3/360... Actually it 'can' but for some reason, it dont.

Wii Boxing, is the one that random waggling will win you games. ;)

The Wii-mote sensors are too easily manuplated, and dont carry the precision (accelerometer) that it should, for it to be incorperated in a main-stream game.

It's like trying to fly a helicopter, with a old-school cheap-o, flight stick. The 'position' jumps around so much, that it is almost impossible to fly becuase of the 'random' factor. The Wiimote, unfortuinatly has that. Just as the Six-Axis does too. I'm hopeing the next-gen motion sensing devices fix those problems.

Just as a personal note, as I dont say this often.

I waited in line for 10-14 for my Wii. I had VERY *VERY* high expectations out of it.

I didnt wait in line for the PS3. Infact, I didnt even get one right off. I got one with my x-mas money, when I saw one sitting on the shelf. I'm not anti-nintendo. I just hate the Wiimote.