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ArchangelMadzz said:

I was under the impression we were talking about opinions. If in your opinion saying 'we want co op' makes it a collaborative effort than that's fine.

I didn't, i'm just suggesting how a relatively minor push on a system feature could have been the defiining element of a gaming series. I said it would difficult to define where the publisher and developer contribution ends and begins and if you did want to state MS din't have any involvement in it (aside from the money) then you would need to prove it.

ArchangelMadzz said:

I didn't say it was flagship, I'm saying it counts as new IP created by a Sony studio

And you could only think of Forza on Xbox?

ArchangelMadzz said:

Driveclub just announced that it sold 2 million units, if it was bundled with every PS4 then obviously I wouldn't count it

What about just 1.5 Million PS4's? Is 2 million the baseline for flagship IP on Playstation?

ArchangelMadzz said:

You're actually trying to make strawmen aren't you? You KNOW I'm talking about being bundled with EVERY 360 with Kinect. Not just a 'bundle'. But you felt the need to make a fake point to waste your and my time?

No I'm just confused that you seem to demerit Kinect Adventures because it was a bad game or bundled a lot. but also listed bad PS IPs or not so bads ones that had been bundled a lot.