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ArchangelMadzz said:

I'm not the one making the claim that Microsoft made a collaborative effort, I'm saying them potentially saying 'we want co-op' does not make it a collaborative effort.

And I would just like to know when and how you decided that, and if you think it's up to you?

ArchangelMadzz said:

But Dreams, Horizon, or a new IP that sucker punch comes up with does

Well, if it's already decided those are flagship IP, can one do the same with Microsofts upcoming ones? Even the unnanounced ones? If so, whats the issue?

ArchangelMadzz said:

Anyone with a big wallet can buy a team after they make a brilliant thing.

And before its made.

ArchangelMadzz said:

Oh yes Kinect Adventures, how could I forget such a masterpiece. My bad, it's such a big IP that we always look forward to it, every time one comes out.. no, it's not a big IP

You did mention Driveclub and Killzone in the same sentence as flagship right?

It's up to the buyers who decide what's a big IP or not. It's interesting though, because Wiifit/Play/Sports ...no-one would say that Nintendo did not make massive IP. But when it's Microsoft.....

ArchangelMadzz said:

It sold a lot as it was bundled with a Kinect, but if you see Kinect Adventures in the same light as Forza then I don't know what to say..

Were any of the Sony flagship IP you mentioned earlier bundled in any way? I think there weerrrrrreeeeeeeeeeoooooooooooooooooooowpppppppwabiddly