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Erik Aston said:
Sqrl said:
Erik Aston said:

It isn't unlike children playing with dolls or action figures and making up their own storylines.


Uhm....so its casual? Glad we agree.


Fabulous.

Pretty much all games tap into some sort of childlike play, so I guess everything is casual.


 Again I think you're making my point.  This is why so many people dislike the term hardcore as well...because its supposed to be a game.  

GTA is casual because you can casually play 15 minutes before work, after school, or whatever suites your needs.  And if you want to use the term "hardcore" it fits that too because you can also play for 8 hours and accomplish goals and advance story earn money, progress, etc...  I don't see what is wrong with it fitting both definitions.

I won't debate which group buys it or plays it more since we have nothing to go on.  But the game is absolutely casual on many levels and for many people.  And I really think you've made the point for me. 

But in case you disagree lets use the dictionary and I'll quote all meanings:

 cas·u·al [kazh-oo-uhl] Pronunciation Key
   –adjective

1.happening by chance; fortuitous: a casual meeting.
2.without definite or serious intention; careless or offhand; passing: a casual remark.
3.seeming or tending to be indifferent to what is happening; apathetic; unconcerned: a casual, nonchalant air.
4.appropriate for wear or use on informal occasions; not dressy: casual clothes; casual wear.
5.irregular; occasional: a casual visitor.
6.accidental: a casual mishap.
7.Obsolete. uncertain.
–noun
8.a worker employed only irregularly.
9.a soldier temporarily at a station or other place of duty, and usually en route to another station.

 I don't think anyone is trying to make a case for numbers 1, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, or 9....if you disagree let me know.  This leaves 2 & 5 which are observably and provably true about the game.

I think the problem is that you may be cought in the thinking that the label people give a game is mutually exclusive with all other labels...that is to say that you seem to think it can't be "casual "and "hardcore" at the same time...which it can. It may not be both for any single person at any one time but it can be both for different people at the same time.



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