Ben Stein to take on Darwinism on April 18

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The_vagabond7 said:
It's not even spin, it's just propaganda. Half of what ID supporters spew is complete ignorant nonsense that isn't even up to par with high school text book explanations of evolution and natural selection. And willfully so, most of them actually avoid learning, and still argue, even the so called intelligent ones (look at the example of behe I posted above).

It doesn't predict anything, or propose any method of exploration into it's proposals. It's not even a proper hypothesis. People keep saying "well let them do the research, try to flesh it out!" What research? And who's doing it? There's no research to do because no predictions are made. Aside from Behe the supporters aren't scientists, their people like Ben Stein who clearly don't even understand the basics of evolution. And even Behe is hardly a credible scientist, at this point he's just whoring himself out for money to fundamentalist christians.

While I agree with your position, it is equally true that a lack of expert support for a theory is not proof of its falsehood. It certainly bodes ill but I don't think it is fair to condemn it on those grounds alone.

As an aside:

Ironically I listened to Coast to Coast AM for the first time in months last night and they had on a Catholic Priest who is part of the church in the capacity of an astronomer. In the 2 hours interview he impressed upon me that the Catholic church wishes it to be known that they are pro-science and that they are not against evolution at all. I took a great deal of comfort in seeing that the church is at least interested in this avenue and recognizes its merits. Thats a great step in the right direction and I wish I had known of it sooner. They apparently have a whole program from multiple fields of study and they are active in the scientific community and have made contributions themselves.

Religion is not (and should not be) opposed to Science, as I've often said on these discussions religion is the "Why are we here?" and Science is the "How did we come to be here?". Thats obviously simplifying it quite a bit but I found its a good starting point for grasping the larger more complex issues between religion and science.