nanarchy said:
routsounmanman said:
Lafiel said:
I am very grateful the international community granted Germany another chance after being responsible for 2 devastating and unforgivable world wars and I'm a big big benificiary of that decision, but I have no doubt our representatives of the time also showed that they know what went so very wrong and how to rebuild the country and make it a valuable partner of the international community.
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Apparently, Greece is is not worth a second chance. Start a terrible war (I don't hold Germany solely responsible for WW1), devastate the entire continent, ok here you go, all forgiven. Forge fake fiscal data? ANNIHILATION.
Also, it is true that we overborrowed money during the period 2000-2009 but it's a misconception that Greece solely lived through that. Even before adopting the common currency, we were quite a healthy and strong nation (nothing compared to countries like Bulgaria, Latvia, etc that Germans insist we must come down to to become competitive).
And losing 26% of GDP is a CATASTROPHE no matter how you try to sugar coat it. And asking for painful and deep reforms (mostly taxes and cuts) during this period only makes things worse. Believe me, if this deal goes through, we're going to lose another 25% in 5 years. No country can sustain that; a default back in 2009 would have brought us in a much better position long-term, but the EU didn't let us default, to save the private baks, and shelter the other big indebted nations (Spain, Italy).
PS1: Ignore Davman, just don't even try to answer.
PS2: I respect the modern Germany, and have nothing against the German people, if anything, I find they're lovely (tourists visiting here, etc) and very educated and kind. But the whole German government has treated us like garbage that absolutely need to be punished. Angela Merkel is the worst leader the EU could have right now; if we go down, she will be remembered for this failure.
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The way Germany was treated post WWI is what led to WWII with much of the debt artificialy imposed on them as everyone simply said
these are our war damages, Germany you must pay them[...]
Does this ring a bell? Debt artificially imposed, inflated actually. "It's a Greek problem". Punishment attitude. This led Germany into Hitler and WW2. Europe sure is funny.
Post WWII they did actually pay back and compensate huge amounts of their debt (though they also had a haircut on it). Greece has had 2nd, 3rd and 4th chances and renigged on each of those chances ever since entering the Euro.
Nope. Most of that was either cut or never repaid. And rightfully so; Germany could never repay if it wanted to recover.
Now on top of asking for another chance they also want another haircut on the loans while insulting those providing the loans.
Have you heard Mr. Shauble talk about Greece about these last 5 years? "Lazy", "Unreliable", and many more. Just today he "joked" about trading Puerto Riko with Greece! I mean really? TRADE A COUNTRY?
And the most unfortunate thing is that he's not the only one. We are hugely at fault for this, but humiliating us and insulting us for the past 5 years has made an entire country very angry and depressed.
It is also amusing that the cartoon says Greece accepted the debt write off as Tsipras has made repeated demands this year that the debt must be repaid, with interest in current euro equivalent.
Not the same loan. Also, they were talking about the war reparations, mostly. And even if it's wrong (it is, to me), desperation brought them here.
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