Greek economy

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walsufnir said:

Alkibiádēs said:

walsufnir said:

But do they? After what we know now about Greece and Euro, this point just can't be completely true. What "knowledge" do these people have? Our person in charge for defense, Ursula von der Leyen, was responsible for family ministry. She is totally exchangable. And she is only one example.

But to the other point: I don't want votes for every single fart out there, definitely not. But changing a currency is something so big that you have to let the common people vote for or against. The people in charge didn't evidently not have enough expertise and knowledge for the Euro.

I doubt today's economy would be better without the Euro, maybe for some countries.

And it's YOUR job to vote on the people (or in this case: party) who you think have such expertise or skill.

Indirect democracy is far from perfect, but tell me when you have found something better. As for the EU, yeah, it needs to be better organized...

You can doubt what you want but we don't know what the economy would be without the introduction of Euro. But did it harm UK not getting a new currency?

I don't have many options to vote. What if I doubt any of these guys have skill or expertise? Especially considering that most posts get assigned *after* election. "Cool, the guy I wanted to be in charge for defense now is responsible for environment". So you don't vote for the best but for the best available which is not necessarily the best.

In my opinion the suisse model is quite good. They have direct democracy in certain points and this also makes people feel democracy way better. Even better, people read about a topic and can make up their own opinion about it, rather than letting people from the government decide alone and totally ignoring what the common people want.

Example: government people earn money (of course). Every now and then there salary raises. The question if the salary should raise is answered by the people who get the salary! This is like people at work getting the question "do you want to have more money? Let's say 10%?" Who would answer no? Thing is, *we* pay them. They should ask *us* if they should get more money. But this doesn't happen, they decide on their own. What I want to say: There are many little things that make people frustrated about the government so that the voter participation goes down and down after each election and still the people "in charge" don't see anything wrong in what they are doing.

We have to get to the point where these people understand themselves as representatives of the common people.

Although this very likely does not have much to do with the currency, the UK's economy isn't exactly rosy either. Not in a crisis state, but severe stagnation, since quite some time.

Otherwise: I would argue that pre-crisis Greece shows the biggest flaw of giving power to the people. People are shortsighted, and selfish. Everyone wants to pay less taxes and get more services. And if the government fills all the wishes, well, you get what is happening now. A country needs someone at the top who can say no to its citizens.