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hatmoza said:
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Questioning the holocaust is illegal in 17 countries but that doesn't stop it's delusional deniers from questioning it. Questioning Islam and the Quran is welcomed by non-muslims. Questioning the wrong leaders who claim to be muslims can be fatal. And not liking something doesn't automatically make them false. I'm terrified of dildos that doesn't make them imaginary.

I was just explaining why you are "left out".  The fact that it's imaginary is a separate issue.

And yes I would definitely agree that the old testament is more consistant. The Bible/s on the otherhand are openly admitted to being changed. Jewish people however completely reject Jesus and Mohammed peace be upon them. 

Ok.  So then do you believe the old testament is an accurate book, or just more accurate than the bible?

Logically yes, that's near impossible. I don't know the details of the Christian version of the story but the Quran mentions that the act of building the arc is actually a miracle by God. One narration mentions that the pieces of the arc were layed down for him in a way that made it easy to put together.

II'm only familiar with the old testament story, which is why I adressed that.  I was unaware there is another account from the Qu'ran.  Although if God is a lumberjak, that raises a whole bunch of other questions.

The whole world? I think you're anti-christian arguments are surfacing again. According to Islam, the punishment of the flood occured in the region of Noah's people who disbelieved his message. That. Even though the water is not as massive as covering all of earth. The Quran did mention that the earth swallowed it.

If it was regional, and it was supposed to cover all land, the entire sea level would have to rise.  Unless it was a very very narrow lanlocked area that had natural barriers to keep the waters from flowing out.

And according to everything we can confirm, the Earth cannot swallow that amount of water, even in a regional flood.

This just goes to show you're going to disagree regardless of what anyone says. But I'm fully aware of that and I'm willingly just adding to the discussion with no intentions of actually arguing. I love discussing Islam!

No, I'm not going to disagree with everything.  Just the things that I have no logical reason to agree with, or things that defy the known laws of the universe.

And, the animals.  Now, if you go with two of each species (there are some alternate translations) you have the problem that one infertile animal means that species is extinct.  Beyond that, you have the size of the thing.  There would need to be several hundreds of thousands of species or more if we were to account for the amount of diversity today.  There is not enough room.  

Yeah.  I thought the story was the same.  If it's truly that different, feel free to not respond.  After all, I can't expect you to defend something you don't believe.  

I'm just gonna pretend to be christian at this point. YES!! 370 DAYS IS WAYT TOO MUCH. But I heard, according to muzzlims that the duration of the flood wasn't nearly that long, and that the animals were quickly released.

So... is any of this in the Qu'ran?  Because saying "I heard according to Muslims" sounds like it's just something some guy made up.

Of course, I'm wondering why Allah had to drown millions of animals anyway.  I mean were they sinners?  Seems like a dick move, Allah.

The Quran specifically states that only the disbelievers of that region was destroyed. Your inclusion of me to Christianity really helped me point out some key distinctions!

Yeah, again, I thought that Muslims accepted the story as in the old testament.  So, if I was wrong, you needn't respond to this.

all acts of sin. Someone who does would never be chosen as a prophet.

And what is the justification for this belief [angels]?

One of the five pillars of faith (not the five pillars of Islam) is believing in angels. They were one of God's first creation before mankind or Jinn (the creatures that like to pretend they're ghosts and goblins and other legends according where you live... or if you're a christian devils).


:D I know what it feels to be Christian under questioning after reading this :D


So we're probably better off ignoring the flood as you don't believe in the JudeoChristian version, and I don't know enough about the Islamic version to really discuss it.  So, let's talk about angels.

I asked for the Justification for angels, and you're basically telling me "Cause Islam says so".  Do you have any reason besides blind faith to believe this?  And if not do you think faith is a proper justification?