walsufnir said:
hentai_11 said:
walsufnir said:
mai said:
So what about Italy, Spain, Portugal, France, Denmark or Ireland? Were they "worthy"?
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That's a good question but I am not to judge and I am not the person who had the data to judge it. And I am not the person who made up the criteria. Thing is, the whole Euro topic is something that shows how democracy works (at least in Germany): Every 4 years you are allowed to elect people who dictate you what will happen.
There is a former German politician who said that is unfair to judge a government after election by their pre-election promises... this tells you what attitude they have towards the people they want them to vote.
Germany got the Euro because the government wanted it. No matter which party. Why weren't we able to vote for it? Because they knew we wouldn't want it. UK is a perfect example of this. It is absolutely ridiculous how we think that the world should function (see arabic spring) but democracy is only good for them if the common people do exactly what they want.
Do you remember when Ireland was to join EU? How many times did they do an election? "Let's vote until we get what we want".
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The EU had criterias which had to be met to get the Euro. However the greek politicians cheated and faked their numbers to get the Euro. Here is a german link. (too lazy to search for an english one ...)
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/wirtschaft/statistik-skandal-griechen-schummelten-sich-in-waehrungsunion-1.918589
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Yes but nobody talks about this anymore strangely. The public discussion is concentrating on various points but we should concentrate on "cause and effect". Even if Greece would get money again this time, what are they going to change so this is the last time they get money from other countries?
The Greece government lied and because of this, I as a German have to pay for it. And many others, too. This can't be right.
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No we have to pay for Merkels stupid decisions, she was the one who believes in austerity while acting completley different when the crisis hit germany itself in 2007. Like giving money for getting rid of used cars etc. instead of budget cuts.
She demanded reforms but the wrong ones. Instead taxing the rich or cutting the military budget she demanded social cuts demilishing the purchasing power and economy in greece.
And third she gave greece from the beginning to the IMF which servers more american interests. Instead making it from the beginning a european only settlement. By the way this what the deal is all about, switching greece debts from imf to EU so they have to pay less interests which should have happened in the first place.
Also she acts now differently because its a far leftwing goverment in greece, italy and portugal arent in a better situation or france. But because its a left wing goverment in greece and is connected to our leftwing party she goes completley hardcore with them now all of the sudden. This women is a despicable anti communist control freak. Thats what is happening right now
