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misterd on 29 April 2008
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kenzomatic said:
misterd said:
Coca-Cola said:
@misterd
do you know that difference theories between creationists and intelligent design?
or are they the same?

I know the technical difference, but the reality is that ID is being pushed almost exclusively by fundamentalist Christians (not Hindus, Muslims, Jews, etc), and supported by the same people and organizations that support creationism.

If you look at the "ID textbook" that some tried to get into schools - Of Pandas and People - it was written as a creationist book, and edited after the 1987 Supreme Court ruling to replace the word "creationism" with "Intelligent Design". http://www.pandasthumb.org/archives/2005/10/i_guess_id_real.html (not coincidentally, after that court ruling there was a dramatic shift in the use of the term ID over Creationism in FC literature).

ID is simply part of the "Wedge Stratedy" (http://www.antievolution.org/features/wedge.html) that FC's created with the explicit purpose of a Christian revival in the US.  However, when that memo surfaced as part of the Dover trial, the plan was essentially scrapped as the WS had become a liability. Even ID is being downplayed again in favor or Creationism. I have to give creationists credit for being able to adapt so well to their legal and political environments.


I could make a good long list of physicists that would suggest that ID is a possibility. A lot of these people are not christian and aren't talking about evolution vs creation. See this is the problem ID has become an umbrella under which there are many theories. ID started as an idea in the spectrum of creation to evolution as it relates to christianity.

  • CREATION
    • Flat Earthers
    • Geocentrists
    • Young Earth Creationists
      • (Omphalos)
    • Old Earth Creationists
      • (Gap Creationism)
      • (Day-Age Creationism)
      • (Progressive Creationism)
      • (Intelligent Design Creationism)
    • Evolutionary Creationists
    • Theistic Evolutionists
    • Methodological Materialistic Evolutionists
    • Philosophical Materialistic Evolutionists
  • EVOLUTION

But now the term is getting applied to any area of science or quasi-science which claims to point to god. So the defintition is changing.

Side Note: Young Earth Creationist and IDC are completley defferent.


The ID political (and faux-scientific) movement is specifically what I am referring to here. There is little consistency on the part of ID proponents (as I think I said several posts ago) as to the age of the Earth, just as they avoid identifying the designer. This means there are both YEIDers and OEIDers.  However whatever the take of the individual, the basic thrust is the same - Irreducible Complexity, from the Word of Behe- and the proponents (not those who simply think it "possible") attempting to push this as science deserving a place in the classroom, or getting "equal footing" with NeoDarwinian Evolution are almost all from the Fundamentalist Creationist branch.

I should also point out that a list of physicists supporting the "possibility" of a biological and theological concept is about as valid as trying to discredit M-theory by lining up a bunch of biologists.