| Dr.Henry_Killinger said: The only one confused here is you. I will spell it out for you. Quoting the bible verbatim is the same thing as quoting out of context. So your "quotations", "references to the occurrencness", and the argument you make in this point are based on fallacies. Any reasoning based on fallacies is faulty. For instance, P1) makes no sense because the word count says nothing about even the sentence that the word hate was located in. Ex. When his brothers saw that their father loved him more than any of them, they hated him and could not speak a kind word to him. -Genesis 37:4 Based on your theorem P1) states " If hate is mentioned in the bible, "god" hates something. ". In the context of the sentence, "His[Joseph] brother's hated him[Joseph]. So here it is the brother's who hates something. P1 implies that Joseph's Brothers is equivalent to God. See how that makes no sense? Furthermore, since P1 makes a statement on ALL occurrence of Hate, in other words For All x, then one example is enough to disprove the entire thing. The argument you claim I said has nothing to do with the argument I actually purported. "based on your reasoning, the occurrence of Christ in the NT refers to how the OT is barely pertinent to modern christianity because its lack of Christ." is not the same thing as " If Jesus/Christ are mentioned in the bible more than hate, then "god" doesn't hate anything. (clearly inept)" In otherwords, the absence of Christ/Jesus in the OT vs is presence in NT, describes how relevant the two books are the Christianity which is not the same as the occurence of Christ/Jesus > occurrence of hate so God doesn't hate anything. But I prefaced that statement with "based on your reasoning" And I have just proven that your reasoning DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. Also attempting to apply logic to a book of faith(hence illogical) makes zero sense as well. You can apply logic to how it works in the real world, and its affects like JWeinCom or other posters with valid arguments, but with regards to its contents it's pointless. FYI: I never said God doesn't hate anything, he does hate sin, just not sinners. A distiction that I will admit I didn't make because I assumed that "God hates X" referred to hate groups using it to justify there hatred of other groups of people. |
And no one is surprised by yet another display of utter incompetence.
Quoting something verbatim is not the same as quoting out of context. That is yet another misunderstanding on your behalf of what that entails. Quoting out of context necessitates that the meaning of the passage is the antithesis of the quotation. The quotations provided are exactly what is conveyed by the passages (feel free to review them).
P1 makes sense in its amended form, which I see you've deliberately ignored. This is a failure of philosophy 101, wherein the argument is taken at its best, not its worst. The only effort I see you've taken is to deliberately strawman the argument from "If the bible says god/lord/jesus hates X" to "If the bible says ANYONE hates X" which is entirely insane (you referenced brothers for some bizarre reason). Please learn to read at least at a novice level.
I'm glad you're now admitting your arguments are senseless and completely inept; progress is always good.
"FYI: I never said God doesn't hate anything, he does hate sin, just not sinners. A distiction that I will admit I didn't make because I assumed that "God hates X" referred to hate groups using it to justify there hatred of other groups of people."
And now we see that you are, in fact, a liar. You even took great lengths to update your original post to conceal your lie. This duplicitous nature is commonplace when someone is running for the hills.
This was indeed your original quotation:
"Thus, if a so called Christian says "God hates X" they are either not a Christian, or at the very least sinning themselves."
As everyone can plainly see at this point, this entails that god does not hate anything as anything would violate your contention that "God hates X" is impossible.
It's time to collect your things, you're finished.
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