| spurgeonryan said: @weincon The same goes in the opposite. The "Theory" of evolution should not be jammed down kids throat from preschool on. Monkeys and big bang, etc. Not fact. But despite that elements of all of this is laced throughout text books. Kids just assume it is fact. Theory means shit to them. Kids should not have "You are not always born how you think you are born". Wanna be a female? Do it! Female who wants to be a male? Do it! Screw evolution that you were force fed in school! You go ahead and circumvent that little 7 year old. That is my problem with what ever logical crap weincon said. As long as kids are not force fed that crap until they are 25-30 when they can really make responisble choices I am fine with it. This rule is not exclusive to this paragraph. |
@weincon
The same goes in the opposite. The "Theory" of evolution should not be jammed down kids throat from preschool on. Monkeys and big bang, etc. Not fact. But despite that elements of all of this is laced throughout text books. Kids just assume it is fact. Theory means shit to them.
The fact that you put theory in quotes shows that you are not well versed in this topic.
We have the word theory as we use it in daily life and theory as it's used in a scientific sense. In the daily sense, theory means a guess. Like, I have a theory that Nintendo will show so and so at E3.
In the scientific sense, a theory is a model, supported by a great deal of evidence, that explains an observable phenomena.
This means two important things. First off, a theory is not just something some dude came up with. A theory is the graduation point of an idea. A theory is something that, while not provable 100%, is confirmed by a great deal of evidence. Theory does not mean wrong. Furthermore, just because Newton's theory of gravity was disproven (under certain circumstances) by Einstein, that doesn't mean that things stopped falling.
Evolution is NOT a theory. Evolution is an observable phenomena. We can see it not only in fossils, but in labratory settings as well. Evolution is a huge part of vaccines, and various other forms of medicine. There is absolutely no doubt that organisms evolve over time. Again, Evolution is not a theory.
The theory of evolution refers to Darwin's theory of evolution. Like Newton's theory of gravity explains the observable phenomena of gravity, Darwin's theory of evolution refers to Darwin's Theory of Evolution explains the observable phenomena of evolution. While it is not proven as fact, the evidence to support Darwin's theory is overwhelming. And even if it were disproven, that doesn't suddenly mean things don't evolve. It just means we were mistaken in how they evolve.
Kids should not have "You are not always born how you think you are born". Wanna be a female? Do it! Female who wants to be a male? Do it! Screw evolution that you were force fed in school! You go ahead and circumvent that little 7 year old.
Uhhhh... I have no idea what this has to do with evolution. I certainly agree that we should not force gender conformity, but that's another thing entirely. From my experience it tends to be the religious crowd that objects to this.
That is my problem with what ever logical crap weincon said. As long as kids are not force fed that crap until they are 25-30 when they can really make responisble choices I am fine with it.
If you are suggesting that we don't teach science to children, then have fun watching our country slip even further in educational standings. There is no reason not to teach Darwin's Theory of Evolution or other theories for several reason.
1. There is evidence to support these theories, and the evidence is publicly available. The degree of evidence is such that the odds of the theory being wrong are less than one percent. The odds of evolution not having occured is 0%. We know that organisms change over time. On the contrary, there is no evidence to support any known religion.
2. There is a mechanism by which science changes over time. The Origin of Species is not considered a sacred texts. Children are not taught that this is a perfect theory that cannot be changed ever. They are told, assuming they have a competent science teacher, that this is a theory that is our best current explanation, and it is subject to change.
3. Nobody is told that they will burn in hell for all eternity if they don't believe in evolution, or that their friends who do not believe in evolution are wicked and will go to hell.
So, it's not even remotely the same, and do not pretend that the baseless assertions of religion are on par with the peer reviewed process of science.
