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Arkaign on 23 May 2015
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curl-6 said:
Arkaign said:
curl-6 said:
They could have put out consoles in 2013 that were significantly more powerful than PS4/Xbone.
They chose not to because of how much money 360 and PS3 lost early on for being high end juggernauts. Their limitations are more the result of financial prudence than technological barriers.

I think the same financial prudence would have yielded massively more powerful consoles CPU wise by later this year or into next year. Jaguar is terrible.

28nm took too long to get replaced, and 2013 was the tail end. Sadly it's not like Intel+Nvidia was affordable enough to use in consoles, but AMD will soon have moved from awful CPU performance in that TDP to above-average.

Fair enough, but if they'd come out in 2015 they'd still be midrange, just by 2015 standards instead of 2013. At this point I guess you can either hope this gen isn't as drawn out as the last, (I imagine PS4/Xbone will be looking a tad dated by 2020/2021) or go PC master race. ;)

yeah that's kind of my point. Not that PS4/X1 would have been higher up the totem pole of the timeframe against midrange PCs or anything like that, but rather that the long stagnation period from ~'09-'13 was really rough CPU wise.

I mean a Phenom II X6 is roughly on par with the FX6350 performance-wise. And even on Intel's side, someone with a 2500k doesn't see massive gains going to a 4690K Devil's Canyon. But above all, GF/TSMC long-toothed 28nm and the TDP targets by the console makers made something akin to the Jaguar inevitable at that die size. What they managed to do with 28nm is admirable I think, but man, when you consider the cross-gen games dominating these past couple of years, and seeing 'exclusives' that could have been easily done on gen7 with lower res/detail (graphics don't matter at all, amirite? we should go back to 2600!), I think waiting for the LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG awaited die-shrink would have done everyone a lot of good. All the same games we've played in 2013, 2014, and into 2015 would have been there, just less 'pretty'. And the generational jump would have been incredible rather than merely okay.