Without Playstation, would the industry be in another crisis?

[Materia-Blade]

Mr Puggsly said:

Materia-Blade said:

"The Nunchuck has a joystick, but not the Wiimote. For dual joysticks people had to get the Pro Controller."

Wiimote and nunchuck should always be considered together. and although a second analogue would be great for camera controls, the wiimote far surpasses the second analogue for fps (a genre that is casual but you consider core).

"No, by 2010 core software sales were abysmal on Wii. The biggest hits were Black Ops and Goldeneye."

cod isn't core. But regardless, wii got about 20 releases in 2010 that sold at least 500k. among them are super mario galaxy 2, donkey kong country returns, metroid other m, xenoblade chronicles (japan), kirby's epic yarn, epic mickey...

"Please show me the numbers that say Wii did as good or better at moving core software than SNES/PS1/PS2. Please show me these numbers that don't exist in our reality."

http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=&publisher=&platform=Wii&genre=&minSales=0&results=200

Best selling mario kart, best selling non bundled 2d mario, best selling smash bros, best selling 3d mario (and a 2nd 3d mario that still beat sunshine), best selling mario party, 2nd best selling legend of zelda + numerous multimillion sellers from existing franchises + dozen million sellers from new franchises...

This is the reality and your downplaying will never change it.

I am considering the Wiimote and Nunchuck together. Even together there is only one joystick. The Pro Controller has two joysticks. If the Wiimote had a joystick your argument would actually have some validity.

Not everyone agree the Wiimote is superior for shooters. Which is why the Pro Controller exist and most people play shooters on gamepads. Shooters do better on platforms with core appeal, something Nintendo platforms lack.

Haha! You consider 500K great numbers? The reality is that's why core support died on Wii. Those sales are crap compared to what PS360 were achieving. Core games were lucky to do 500K on Wii while its competitors were doing multi millions. Again, you say CoD isn't core but ignore how well it does on core platforms.

I said show me Wii did better at moving core software than SNES/PS1/PS2. I didn't ask for proof Wii could sell casual stuff and Mario games.

I'm not downplaying the Wii, I acknowledge what it did successfully. You on the other hand are trying to convince me it was a success in the core market and it wasn't. Bottom line, if Wii was a successful core platform then the Wii U wouldn't be struggling this bad right now.

"I am considering the Wiimote and Nunchuck together. Even together there is only one joystick. The Pro Controller has two joysticks. If the Wiimote had a joystick your argument would actually have some validity."

The games did just fine with what the wiimote + nunchuck had, so no.

"Haha! You consider 500K great numbers? The reality is that's why core support died on Wii."

GOSH, you didn't even read, did you? IN 2010, WII GOT 20 RELEASES THAT SOLD A MINIMUM OF 500K. most were multi million sellers.

"Those sales are crap compared to what PS360 were achieving."

ps360 had games that were multimillion sellers and also games that barely sold 500k. wii had games that were multimillion sellers and also games that barely sold 500k.

"Core games were lucky to do 500K on Wii while its competitors were doing multi millions"

Regardless of your definition of "core", that will always remain false.

"Again, you say CoD isn't core but ignore how well it does on core platforms."

Core platforms? you're gonna insist on those imaginary terms? anyway, if you think cod of all things is core, than you cannot possibly consider any genre as casual.

"I said show me Wii did better at moving core software than SNES/PS1/PS2. I didn't ask for proof Wii could sell casual stuff and Mario games."

"Casual stuff and mario games" This is pure downplaying. I didn't know that zelda, metroid, kirby, DK, fire emblem, xenoblade, punch out, sin and punishment... + many other 3rd party titles = mario games. even mario kart/party aren't mario games.

"if Wii was a successful core platform then the Wii U wouldn't be struggling this bad right now."

Absolutely no relation. A console's success isn't determined by it's predecessor. Just look at ps3 and ps vita.