Observation Shows Overwhelming Evidence for a Creator

[o_O.Q]

Dgc1808 said:

o_O.Q said:

"A person completely void of joy isn't a sad person. They're just not happy."

well they are neutral balanced on the equilibrium point between the two

the line there in the middle means neutral or equilibrium

". You'd have to point out how some intelligence caused these "laws" to take the forms that they do"

well my conclusion is based on the fact that we as humans pride ourselves on being above animals because of our capacity to use our intelligence to come up with constructs

as i said earlier we wouldn't expect to find any significant answers to anything by talking to animals or rocks or putting our head to the ground and hoping the earth whispers back or whatever because we unlike the animals and inanimate objects around us have intelligence 

therefore we expect that mathematical constructs for example are exclusive to entities that exhibit intelligence otherwise you'd have me believe that rocks have more intellectual capacity than humans as they have been able to do what we will never be able to acheive with regards to creating the universe

afterall if there is no intelligence above us then it would have be the matter of the universe itself that caused it to form as it did meaning that rocks are smarter than humans

"well they are neutral balanced on the equilibrium point between the two"

This doesn't work with the temperature example (and a lot of other things) because there's no discernible max or true neutral (0 on any temperature scale is completely arbitrary). Bring in the topic of mixed emotions which would suggest that  sorrow is not absense joy and the whole ascertions falls apart.

"afterall if there is no intelligence above us then it would have be the matter of the universe itself that caused it to form as it did meaning that rocks are smarter than humans"

A creator exists or the universe created itself, is basically what you're saying here? I have a hard time believing you haven't heard the flaws of this argument before. I'm kinda thinking there's some ill-intent behind this thread. I'm done here. 

" because there's no discernible max or true neutral (0 on any temperature scale is completely arbitrary)."

actually that's a very good point i hadn't thought of that one but i don't get how it invalidates my argument because ultimately to access our environment we still use those arbitrary conditions regardless

we don't say that our baseline for temperature is arbitrary and therefore we can't take weather forecasts seriously for example

ultimaltely to access these things we have to choose a baseline that is how science works

 

"Bring in the topic of mixed emotions "

do you have a link for that? the idea i've had about mixed emotions is that people experience stimuli that affect them both positively and negatively and by individually accessing both aspects they feel both feelings but not simultaneously

here you seem to be saying that people do in fact experience both simultaneously

i can only speak for myself but i know that i;ve never felt both simultaneously sure when events happen that had both positive and negative aspects occur i reflect on them

but how it works is that when i think of the positive i feel joy and when i think of the negative i feel sad within a short period but separately even though its the same event

 

"A creator exists or the universe created itself, is basically what you're saying here?"

yes

 

"I have a hard time believing you haven't heard the flaws of this argument before."

i have not