Observation Shows Overwhelming Evidence for a Creator

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Blob said:

Torillian said:

why is it irrational?  Do you have evidence of another universe without god's influence where there were no laws and everything was perfectly random at every moment?  You can't say something is unlikely or irrational when you only have one event to look at.  There is no proof that universes can come into existence without these laws, and in that context "every universe that is viable is defined by ____ laws" it would be perfectly rational for a randomly formed universe to come into existence with those laws.  

Lots of irrational things happen when you look at events outside of your everday life.  Quantum Mechanics is a great example which doesn't follow what most would deem rational, bt it' whatscience has observed.  If it's true that an electron can only exist in certain orbitals around an atom and not in between them then it seems reasonable to state that perhaps our universe exists as it does with the rules it does because that it the only way a universe can come to be.  

Funnily enough I know a theoretical physicist who told me that once you reach that level they stop teaching orbital theories and basically say they don't believe it. I'll have to ask him what their theoretical model currently is at some point. 

 

fair enough but i'm betting though that they still subscribe to the underlying basis that is void vs matter which was my point

i suppose at some point we may get rid of the void/matter dichotomy as our understanding grows

 

but my point remains that everything in existance is brought about by the interaction of two opposing forces