Torillian said:
why is it irrational? Do you have evidence of another universe without god's influence where there were no laws and everything was perfectly random at every moment? You can't say something is unlikely or irrational when you only have one event to look at. There is no proof that universes can come into existence without these laws, and in that context "every universe that is viable is defined by ____ laws" it would be perfectly rational for a randomly formed universe to come into existence with those laws. Lots of irrational things happen when you look at events outside of your everday life. Quantum Mechanics is a great example which doesn't follow what most would deem rational, bt it' whatscience has observed. If it's true that an electron can only exist in certain orbitals around an atom and not in between them then it seems reasonable to state that perhaps our universe exists as it does with the rules it does because that it the only way a universe can come to be. |
ok let me give my perspective on this and if you disagree that's cool we can agree to disagree
from my perspective i can't expect to take a rock and squeeze mathematical equations out of it, i can't take out a telescope and spy an asteroid and expect it to flash some equations at me, i can't place my ear to the ground and expect that the earth is going to whisper equations to me
if i want to come up with mathematical equations i either have to use my intelligence or use the intelligence of some one else... it can never come from rocks or asteroids or planets
sure the argument exists that perhaps all of these things just randomly popped into being and i must admit that i subscribed to that belief from the time that i started thinking about these things but after a while and it becomes more and more obvious that its clear that there are laws behind it all it occurs to me that something formulated those laws
now it may be irrational to believe that since there is no evidence besides individual observation and individual conclusions drawn from those observations... its just my personal conclusion and i figured that i'd share it because of the threads i saw yesterday
