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misterd said:
kenzomatic said:
misterd said:
kenzomatic said:
Sense reffers to physiological methods of perception. You use that to interpret everything including science experiements.

Common sense based on a strict construction of the term, consists of what people in common would agree on: that which they "sense" (in common) as their common natural understanding.

Understanding reffering to the conclusions people draw. Conclusion are formed through reasonning, Reasonning icludes various forms of logic.

Logic is a piller of common sense, and thus your statement wrong and in need of clairification.

The problem being that common sense is often wrong and built on faulty logic. Most of my students believe crocodiles are green, that NY is warmer in the summer because we're closer to the sun, and that ice packs radiate cold energy. The entire reason that Mendel's work is significant (and served to launch the field of genetics) is that it completely defied common sense. Hell, the work of Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, Rutherford, and Einstein defied common sense too. 


Ahh the good old days when I would argue with kasz. If I remember most of that argument I think it was all about symantics. And for some reason no one ever realizes that with out defintion you can be arguing 2 different meanings of a word. Or 2 different understanings.

Next Subject. For all the people who wish not to debate the film but religion.

I really do enjoy when people say things like the bible says earth is ten thousand years old or that it says people walked with dinosaurs.

But better than that is when people tell you what your interpitation of the bible is.

Some of you need a reality check there is a spectrum of believe in the christian community as there is in the scientific community or any community. The pope last time I checked endorsed evolution, well the last pope. Some think the bible is literal, some a metaphore, some literal but from the peoples perspective. Also it does not say even literally how old earth is.

The Bible also does not say that the Bible is literally true in every word. It is amazing how many believers in Biblical inerrancy are unaware that the Bible was assembled by political committee, and that they risk violating the second commandment. 

I also enjoy statements like anyone with a brain would know there is no god. I really am not sure how you could be more ignorent. HERE IS MY OVERLY GENERALIZED STATEMENT, Anyone who thinks they can comprehend the entire unvirse and everything in it, is an idiot. Do you think scientist in ten thousand years will agree with all of your theroies?

No, and I know no scientists who believe that. However, the longer a theory is researched, the more lines of evidence that converge to support it, the less likely that it will be overthrown completely. More likely, these theories will be "tweaked" as was Newton's, as was Darwin's. But scientists are generally very guarded about speaking to absolute certainty. 

There are athiest that believe life was brought here by aliens. Some think on a rock some think with a spaceship. Do these things not require some faith? Sure there are things to indicate it is plausible maybe in some opinons highly plausible. But is it plausible to believe there is intellegent life out there? Is it plausible to think things can exist in multiple dimension including that said life? Would that being not be consitered a god?

If you believe that Little Green Men came here and seeded Earth as we would a garden, then yes, faith is needed. If you are talking about exogenesis - that the basic elements of life were brought here by comets- that is a very testable hypothesis. 

OH and one last thing ID has a pretty large spectrum of thoughts as well. So try to not to put all those people together too.


That's part of the problem with ID - there is no true, single "theory." It'd be like saying every naturalistic explanation of life fell under the same theory of evolution. IDers make no consistent claim to the age of the Earth, or to the degree that natural processes influence evolution (some say at the species level, others just back to the creation of the first cell). Each time research shows that an adaptation is not "irreducibly complex", like the eye, or flagellum, or clotting factors, they either pretend that they never heard about it, or move the line back to the next thing scientists haven't done much research on (yet). They even refuse (generally dishonestly) to say who the designer is.


I hope you didn't take evrything I wrote as directed at you.

Also only the sith speak in absolutes



"Back off, man. I'm a scientist."

Your theories are the worst kind of popular tripe, your methods are sloppy, and your conclusions are highly questionable! You are a poor scientist. Especially if you think the moon landing was faked.


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