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pokymon90 on 28 March 2015
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Wonktonodi said:
pokymon90 said:

My whole point is that people should be able to serve who they want. And yes, it would be preferable for businesses to put up signs saying they do not accept somebody to their business. That would fix all problems of an altercation. It's when people try to argue with the people that are providing the service that major altercations happen. It's obvious that they don't want to have you as a customer so why the fuck are you trying to be a customer!?!?! Let them lose your money if they don't want your money. Heard a story a few months ago about a woman complaining that a wedding cake was not made for her because the woman who makes the cakes did not agree with the woman's sexual orientation. Then she started complaining. What is the point in trying to make somebody serve you who didn't want to serve you to begin with?!?!?! It's common sense. Let people do what they want, and go somewhere else. Instead of gay couples making a big deal about one business disrespecting you why not just stop complaining and not go to that business and put your money elsewhere. There is no issue.

Also, I would like to point out that I am pro-people rights. I have friends who are gay. I just look at them as normal people...because that's what they are. However, I am not in a position to hate on people who do not want to serve them because of their beliefs. I may disagree with them, but trying to make them change makes the world a shitty place where everybody has to think the same. That is stupid.

My point is there isn't always a service of the same type right next to the place that's discriminating. And it's not all about cakes.

Housing

Insurance

Banking

Or simply matters of employment. Where people can be fired for being gay. 

 

How far do you let people discriminate based on "religious beliefs"? Should all businesses be allowed or should some be exempt? 

 

The world is a shittier place when we stand back and go nothing when others do wrong and hide their wrongs behind beliefs. 

 

So not only do you think it's ok for gays not to be served but you think we shouldn't complain about it either? You might have gay friends but I don't get the impression you'd have their backs in a situation. Where they'd be kicked out and you and other friends wouldn't. Would you still support the business? Would you listen to your friends complaints or world you tell them hey it's just their beliefs get over it? 

 

Yeah. I sort of agree with where you are coming from.  Sorry if I offended you. I am trying to argue why it's a good thing, but there are plenty of negatives to it. Employment being a big one. The problem is that I have never encountered a situation where somebody did not provide entrance/serve a person because of religious views. I could only assume that those people are very strong to stand at their guns(not literal guns..have to make that clear) on denying gay people though that trying to change them will just bring more trouble than it helps. Does that make sense, or no? Also, I would never support a company that disrespects me or my friends. I would just leave. I guess that's just my personality. Pretty quiet person who doesn't like to complain about stuff.

I thought this issue was mainly about churches providing weddings for gay couples, anyway. I believe it's in their right for a church to not provide weddings for gay couples. The law protects businesses against providing anything for the occassion of a gay wedding. Also, it's unlikely that this law can be used to prevent people from getting Housing, Insurance, Banking, or employment because that isn't what the law is for anyway. The law is to let people who don't want to help in a gay marriage because of religious beliefs  not have to serve those people.  If the people's religious views are being "corrupted" by having to work on a gay marriage they have a right to not. People were being sued because they didn't want to provide a service(photography, cake, decorations, dresses) for a gay wedding. That is not something I am not OK with.