| sc94597 said: 1. If the cake owner needs to be involved in what they perceive to be a religious function (a wedding) then I think it is perfectly normal for them to have religious beliefs on the matter. Furthermore, having a wedding at a church isn't free, if you don't already belong to the church. It certainly is a business transaction as well, just a more covert one. The cake maker isn't just making a generic wedding cake. They need to make it specific for the couple's demands, and it must fit with the rest of the wedding, which they might view as partaking in the ceremony. I agree, I have issues with county clerks not giving mariage licenses as well. That is why I support legally-recognized gay marriage. I don't expect every person to support gay marriage though, and I realize that these things must come incremental or otherwise they'll run from them. 2. One of the best slogans found in the LGBT movement is ,"if two people of the same sex are married it won't affect you." I stand by this slogan quite a bit. However, if we are to start forcing people to partake in the marriage (in their eyes) or lose their business, it does indeed affect those people. This creates even more fear and paranoia on the part of the anti-LGBT people, and it leads them to call their legislators to create laws like this one. The best option for us is to say, "alright, then I will take my business elsewhere and tell all of my straight friends who will be having weddings about your overly traditionalist beliefs." Instead an atmosphere was created that frightens these fundamentalists and by the power of democracy they got a less than desirable law passed, which can make things much worst for the LGBT community. |
1. Hypothiticals are fun, What if they just want a wedding cake to order? It's not the amount of involment that bothers these people it's that it's a gay wedding. Yet other instances of things that should be against their religious views don't stop them from doing business? The popular culture anti gay religious views aren't the same as those with deep religious beleives. It's people picking and chossing parts to follow and the decrimination in the name of religion, is just trying to defend biogtry with a popular religion, not actually convictions.
The church would be where the ceremonial part takes place, they already only aloow those of that religion to take part. and being a member and being aple to used the ceremonial part isn't the same as, renting out halls from a church or other facility, those usually have prperty mangers who deal withthat anyway keeping the Church mroe seperate from the buiness side of renting out the building anyway.
2. Stupid slogan, though still acctate. It's the anti descrimination law that you should bring up though because that's the one that people were suing over. Marriage equality laws and court actions aren't the same as anti discrimanatory laws. Expecting the free market to take care of discrimination is a vaire naieve.
