What was the whole point of Kinect 2?

[Dusk]

oniyide said:

Dusk said:

I already said it dude. The 'power' of the system is a feature of it. Come now... That was pushed harder than any other aspect of any system this gen. 

Again, I didn't say that people like being lied to, that's why I gave an alternative as to what should have happenen. Yes, it does kill consumer trust, likely a big part of their issue with the X1, however people are also quick to forget. Especially gamers it seems, especially when there are sales lol. 

I don't understand what you are even arguing with? what the hell dude. Nearly everything I said was hypothetical. 

AGAIN. I didn't say it didn't affect them, not in the slightest. It was entirely hypothetical. I would say it likely isn't affecting them as badly now, but that's because some time has passed and many people are concerned with different things. 

I'm sorry dude, you can not say with any sort of certainty that if MS had been able to make the Kinect the 'must have' piece of tech by showing something new and something the general public hasn't seen before, or shown it in a way that seemed new and amazing they wouldn't have been able to be more successful? Again, you are talking as to what HAS happened and I'm not. I'm talking about what COULD have happened, hypotheticals... 

Actually, credit cards are designed and extremely successful by using the premise of people spending money they don't have. That's a fact. If every person that owned a credit card paid their full debt every month so that the cards would not get any interest they would not exist. Same thing with loans of any kind. This is all money people don't have that they spend. You don't need to have money to spend it as odd as that sounds. 

You are right, MS didn't give them a reason to, again... hypotheticals. I gave a hypothetical to what they could have done with the Kinect that might have made THE difference. This is entirely conjecture so it's impossible to say, but that is what this whole conversation has been about. 

You might be very right about your last point. They might have been really trying to deceive people for the short term. Honestly, with all the extra DRM stuff they have/had in place, that really might have been the intent, but if that were true we likely will never know. Despite what so many seem to think on this, systems releasing at different times doesn't seem to hinder them too much. The biggest factor seems to be marketing to go along with the system, but there does need to be follow through as well. Even great line ups don't seem to matter as much as they used to, just the marketing and hyping up the consumer for the product. MS likely didn't have anything to show for the Kinect or else we would have seen it/them already, or it/they got canned when they removed it from the bundles. So yeah, if they didn't have anything to show, they weren't ready or whatever, they likely would have been better to wait to release it for a year, but then they would also need to release with a bang. Something super attention catching. 

We all know what has happened historically with the systems and how the series of events have unfolded. Everything beyond that are hypotheticals. 

Since when is power a feature? Its just part of the system. All HW makers talk about it because it is one of the most important aspects of a gaming machine. Even then Sony itself wasnt really pushing it that hard. Simply giving facts on HW isnt really pushing anything.

fair enough. We'll have to agree to disagee as I think your alternative could have only worked if the entry point was lower. 500 is a lot to ask for something that might turn out good.

And i agree they are much better now, they changed things quickly and are better off for it IMHO.

I understand its hypothetical and I didnt mean to say that they would not have been more successful if they hadnt actually showed off something cool with Kinect. Of course they would have, how much more so? Who knows, we can do maybes all day but arent you interested in WHY they didnt? I know i am.

I agree 100% that systems releasing different times doesnt have that big of effect. BUT one has to wonder if MS feels the same way, this is a company that released faulty HW early just to beat Sony by a year so im inclined to think they dont see it the way we do. It is all theories and hypthesis but we only have the info we know about and what these companies have done in the past.

Since always. Power has always been a feature of a system. The ability to boast about the most power is very much what Sony did this gen. Other than that, they basically pulled a Sega lol. Sony does what MS don't. Giving facts about hardware are exactly that, features. A feature is an attribute or noteworthy aspect. 

Well will certainly have to agree to disagree on the price aspect. 

The question about how much more so is a great question. One that can't really be answered. 

Pleasure chatting.