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Hiku said:
thranx said:
Hiku said:

The 2nd amendment was written in a different time. Things have changed a lot since then. They could not have foreseen how things would look today.
Gun control in the US is a discussion that needs to be ongoing.

The 'human rights' argument sounds pretty inappropriate though.

I don't fear the Army. I do fear the multitude of armed federal agencies. They just keep getting more and more weapons

Not sure I understand what you're saying here. Are you saying you'd like to have a firearm to defend yourself with against some kind of federal agency?

Yes. Much easier to trample on my rights when I have no way to defend my self. But given a chance to defend, forces them to back down. I dont want to shoot them and they dont want to shoot me, but if i have no way to defend myself than they win by default. The Bundy show down is a good example of this. Having a way to defend, and a way to easily get your message acroos, film and internet, is the only deterent to the overreaching federal agencies in the US. Let us also not forget how easily a certain world leader was able to bypass their national army and use what was similar to our federal agencies to take control of a country. It has happened before, and will most likely happen again. As the saying goes if you dont learn from history you are destined to repeat it. Well, I have learned, but unfortunalty not all of my country men have. Hopefully it never comes to that, but with every federal agency I know of not following the law and being used to bash opposing views, or as local thugs for corrupt politions I feel it is a valid fear. So valid our founding fathers not only saw it coming, but warned us about it, and tried their best to set up a constitition that would stop it. But who am I to think this, perhaps its best to put my head in the sand, and just think everything is OK becuase I'm in America and it can't happen hear, right?