Obama Admin Caves: ATF Halts Assault on Inalienable Rights

[Normchacho]

SocialistSlayer said:

starcraft said:

The bolded is one of the main reasons I avoid engaging in this debate on forums more often than note.

One side presents evidence, the other promotes unsubstantiated myths to try and defend the indefensible.

Hell, even if you were right, the lack of morality associated with apparently not giving a shit because supposedly someone that got shot was a criminal (of some kind????) is astounding.

you said, innocent, they arent. its that simple. also you were creating a straw man, claiming people argue that the 2A protects 10,000 murders.

furthermore, they arent myths they are cold hard facts, something hoplophobes dont have on their side.

• 71% of gunshot victims had previous arrest records.
• 64% had been convicted of a crime.
• Each had an average of 11 prior arrests.
• 63% of victims have criminal histories and 73% of the time they know their assailant

most of those 10,000 murders are from gangs killing rival gangs/thugs. crime on crime. does that fact dismiss those murders? no, but it puts them into perspective. 

then add to that, guns are used defensively 1-2.5+million times a year in the US.

and add that 5.56 isnt large caliber, nor are rifles used in much crime, let alone rifles chambered in that caliber.

you are just flat out wrong on all counts. but it is hard defending a point of view which is countrary to facts.

The bold is an absolute bogus statistic. Between 2007 and 2011, there only 338,700 cases of firearms being used defensivley. The NRA loves to tote that 2 million number based on what is obviously an unreliable study taken in the mid 90's.