Obama Admin Caves: ATF Halts Assault on Inalienable Rights

[o_O.Q]

binary solo said:

o_O.Q said:

good we agree on that

and the same goes for the jews in nazi germany and any other oppressed group of people in similar situations

they were all powerless because they did not have the means to fight back 

and now people are being convinced that disarming themselves is the best thing to do... now why could that be?

 

what amazes me is that we study these events of the past and it never occurs to some people that it could happen again

because i suppose we are suppose to be "modern" and "civilised" now and "that can't happen to me" or "that can't happen here"

Such a naive and ill informed perspective. There are instances of groups who never resort to violence who get their way because they did not resort to violence. And there are instances of groups getting themselves annihilated because they resorted to violence.  And you don't even have to go that far back to find examples where non-violent opposition lead to the overthrow of regimes, the Orange revolution being an example.  

There are many factors that go into the people successfully or unsuccessfully ousting a corrupt or tyrannical regime by means other than the ballot box. And guns is not a common element to either success of failure. So read a bit more history than just evoking the Holocaust as the reason why everyone should have guns and arm themselves against an hypothetical scenario that is unlikely to ever happen in a stable democracy. There are far more stable and peaceful democracies around the world that have sensible gun ownership laws, including restrictions on carrying, licencing and bans on certain types of guns than there are peaceful and stable democracies that have a constitutionally entrenched right to own guns allowing carry of hidden weapons around in public.

 

you are going to tell me that the transatlantic form of slave trade or nazi germany are comparable to the orange revolution?

 

on an unrelated note what happened over there in ukraine just a couple years back now? wasn't there more unrest? does that not tell you that perhaps the people were not sucessful? ah i guess not

 

" So read a bit more history"

 

how about you give me another example than something as silly as the orange revolution?

 

"There are far more stable and peaceful democracies around the world that have sensible gun ownership laws, including restrictions on carrying, licencing and bans on certain types of guns than there are peaceful and stable democracies that have a constitutionally entrenched right to own guns allowing carry of hidden weapons around in public."

 

not getting your point here if something is more numerous than something else what bearing does that have on how beneficial it is?