Obama Admin Caves: ATF Halts Assault on Inalienable Rights

[Normchacho]

o_O.Q said:

Normchacho said:

Are you serious? Like...really? I can think of very, very few scenarios where you would need to interview the victim first hand to determine if they had acess to firearms...

something about the way that is worded is confusing me

like, for example, how can it be determined that the man in question would not have killed himself via another method had he not posssessed a gun?

well we can't ask him because he's dead, therefore, its open to interpretation

so if for instance we want to paint gun owenership as being deviant we can use the interpretation that the gun influenced his decision when he might have been dead set on killing himself anyway

You can't, but! We do know that suicide is very often a spontaneus act. The things that may drive someone to want to kill themselves are long term, but the idea of suicide itself, is often caused by a single event or emotion, normally less than 10 minutes before the attempt. We also know that people to try to kill themselves with guns are much more sucessful than those who don't.

So would some of those people still have killed themselves? Of course, but acess to a firearm gave them a quick, and highly effective means of doing so.