but then again in the forum they mentioned the free ISP's worked again when you had to pay the $ 10,- (which is not possible in these days) So overall it was a very good deal for that time!! I remember that when Xbox Live was introduced it was clear that MSFT would lose money on this monthly, but because of Bill Gates wanted to have the biggest market share in the console business they invested additionally $ 2b in Xbox division to try and be the biggest in 5 years!!