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kitler53 on 06 March 2015
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OoSnap said:
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That's why you should read all of it otherwise you would know that such an argument, at least indirectly, is already addressed in the op.

I've posted these questions on other forums so I already know all the initial arguments of the non thinking skeptics.


that's just it thought,.. i'm not a non-thinking skeptic.  i've conduction the experiments and gathered the evidence on topics like this senario myself.

movement can only be measured in relative movement.  in the car example the ball isn't stationary,.. it's "stationary" relative to the car but moving relative to the earth.  when you though the ball upwards it's movement is straight up and down relative to the car but looks like an long arc relative to the earth.

so a helicopter or bird sits stationary on the earth surface but is really moving at whatever speed the earth's surface moves that the particular longititude just like the ball in the car.   and then there is that other thing you aren't considering air.

air is a liquid like water or any other.  when between two moving surfaces a profile develops.  at the surface of the stationary surface the fluid is stationary.  at the surface of the moving surface the fluid moves at the same velocity.  in between things scale.  it's not so linear with a sphere but i couldn't find a pic for that.

when you aren't too far from the surface of the earth the air surrounding you is moving at basically the same speed as the earth.  this is a force that pushes on objects moving though the air.  the further you are from the earth surface the less force applied. 

that's is why a small plane may take a 10 hour to go a distance following the equator exactly but a large plane can do it much faster.  the large plane isn't employing massive engines to speed how fast it can move though the air,.. it's employing larger wing lift to reach an altitude where the air is thinner and it's forces are less allowing it to take advantage of the earth's movement.

 

i don't know what else to tell you man.  if you think you're going to throw a ball or fire a cannon in E/W directions and get "significantly" difference distances you are very "non-thinking" yourself.   ...but there are answers to all of your questions if you ever decided to open that mind of your and look at the measurable and repeatable evidence of how many of things around you work.   science doesn't have answers for everything but your ball, bird, cannon examples have been knows for centuries now.